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Old 04-18-2010, 03:41 AM
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Best and Most Accurate 1911 .45?




The title says it all. I want to buy a really good 1911 .45 for use in competition; but, don't have the bucks for a custom pistol.
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Old 04-18-2010, 03:46 AM
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How many bucks do you have? Just competition or carry too?
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Old 04-18-2010, 07:34 AM
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I want to shoot and carry in my auto; as I have a Concealed Handgun License. I am fairly limited on funds; but, could sell some camera lens and ham radio gear if I had too. And although I've said .45 cal, I really have an unusual SW40VE for both accuracy and concealed carry. A .40Cal is OK too. The bottom line is I've always enjoyed pistol competition and would like to step up from the SW40VE to a nicer handling (easier trigger pull) and performing pistol and it looks like most of the ones being used are .45 cal. So any help or recommendations are appreciated. I'd prefer to keep it under $2000, unless its a truly exceptional pistol.
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Old 04-18-2010, 08:02 AM
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What kind of competition, Tex?

If NRA Conventional Pistol, I think your best bet would be to buy a standard model Colt or Springfield and send it to a specialist gunsmith to be accurized. That would probably be less expensive than something like a Les Baer with 1.5" "guarantee". Sign up at
http://www.lava.net/~perrone/bullseye/
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If for IPSC/USPSA or IDPA, the accuracy requirements are less; that standard model Colt or Springfield will do quite well out of the box.
My IDPA CDP was built by a local gunsmith but it looks an awful lot like a Colt Special Combat Government or Springfield Trophy Match. Lesser versions will do and you can upgrade later. A Springfield Loaded will get you by.
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Old 04-18-2010, 11:26 AM
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I want to shoot and carry in my auto; So any help or recommendations are appreciated.
One of the most knowledgable men on the 1911/2011 is in your back yard. I don't know if Virgil is turning out any guns right now but it might be worth checking into. Tripp Research is in Alpine.

http://www.trippresearch.com/store/index.html

I think a good base gun for starters. With some competitive experience, you might have a better idea of what upgrades you'd want.
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Old 04-18-2010, 12:21 PM
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Best .45

Best .45 is often subjective, since many people have different opinions on what is best. You may get better answers if you provide more specific info on what type of competition you plan to shoot, etc.

I like a competition gun that can be used for dual purpose. I like to use my competition guns for concealed carry when the weather is cool enough to wear a light or heavy jacket. My personal preference is for double stack STI or SVI products. You can look at quite a few different STI products at: www.brazoscustom.com

When the weather is warm, and I am only wearing a golf shirt, I tend to carry a much smaller 1911 style pistol like my 9mm Firestar. If I need to conceal a very light gun, I use my Kel-Tec PF9.

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Old 04-18-2010, 09:28 PM
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No need to go high end custom for under 2000 you can get top tier Colt.
Special Combat Governement.
For around a grand you can have a highly sought after Colt Combat Elite.
I have a full house custom series 70 and a Combat Elite on order. I had the money for the special combat, but couldn't justify the cost difference for what I was getting.
Combat Elite is where it's at.
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Old 04-18-2010, 11:21 PM
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Old 04-18-2010, 11:28 PM
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Old 04-18-2010, 11:38 PM
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Kimber Team Match II for a out of the box target pistol. Dead eye accurate and runs like a Swiss watch on anything you feed it.
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Old 04-19-2010, 02:05 AM
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I think for the money you are looking for:

Les Baer
Wilson
Ed Brown

Period. There are custom makers that may be able to sneak you into the bracket of accuracy you are looking for but I think for around 2k those are hard to beat.
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Old 04-19-2010, 12:58 PM
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I run a Nighthawk Talon in USPSA and love it. Might be just above your limit but not by much.
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:41 PM
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Baer's "regular" guns like the Premier II will shoot at or under 3" at 50 yards. For $300 more, you can get that down to 1.5".

Colts are nice on their own merits, but I seriously question their ability to achieve that kind of accuracy on a consistent basis. Especially since they don't appear to be able to fix things like their off-center recoil spring tunnels.
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Old 04-19-2010, 06:45 PM
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Colt is ok (at best) for a few hundred more get a les Baer. For under a grand I would go with the STI Trojan.
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Old 04-21-2010, 07:50 AM
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based on your stated desire

I most highly recommend a Springfield Armory TRP; it will retail for under $1500 AND will include a lifetime (no brain damage) warranty.

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Old 04-21-2010, 08:37 AM
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Old 04-21-2010, 12:24 PM
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Ed Brown.
Lot's of choices (SF, KC, EE, & CC) but still basically the same on the inside.

Got my KC for $1850, it was "used". Over 1k though it and not a problem. I shoot IDPA and USPSA.

Nuff said.
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Old 04-21-2010, 07:57 PM
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I think for the money you are looking for:

Les Baer
Wilson
Ed Brown

Period. There are custom makers that may be able to sneak you into the bracket of accuracy you are looking for but I think for around 2k those are hard to beat.
I agree, and would also add STI.
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Old 04-21-2010, 08:54 PM
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Benny Hill is in the mother land state. I'm sure he could wipe you up something nice for 2k.
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Old 04-21-2010, 09:11 PM
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I have always found that the most accurate 45 is the one the other guy has! Seems to be true for rifles and, especially, shotguns, too.

Seriously, I have 10 even. None are perfect but all are good. Get what you think is reasonable, work up a load and SHOOT! My Gold Cups are great (as Firefuss sez) but my TRP and SA Champion are right there. My Colt Commander in 38Super may be my fav, though not my most accurate.
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Old 04-21-2010, 10:10 PM
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I think for the money you are looking for:

Les Baer
Wilson
Ed Brown

Period. There are custom makers that may be able to sneak you into the bracket of accuracy you are looking for but I think for around 2k those are hard to beat.
Agreed. I also would include STI in this.

To the OP, accurate doesn't necessarily mean long-term quality. I had 1997 era Kimber Gold Match. It was probably the most accurate 1911 I have ever owned. But it was sharp as razor blades and MIM parts kept breaking. I mean stupid stuff, not bushings and slide-stops.

I know there is a guy named Benny Hill (not kidding) that a lot of the circuit competitors seem to like. And they all say he is not that expensive. But this is from a group that might literally "consume" a pistol in a year or so where you might never wear one out.

Regards,
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P.S. Disclosure: I own 7 Browns and sold everything else. But that could easily have been Baer or Wilson.
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Old 04-21-2010, 11:30 PM
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I always liked CS&N/Y...

I'm not in the 1911 market - *Must Resist, Must resist, Must...* - but I 'watch' it just the same.

Otherwise, I'd be really bored at times.

I agree that ±$2000 is probably the 'ground floor' these days if you are buying a 'new' 1911-type pistol and want a 'reasonably high level of overall quality to match your application' (or any other, for that matter) and, at most, only 'minimal potential hassles.' (±$2500 might be closer?)

The used market is a whole 'nother story, IMO. No telling what you'll find there if you look...too long? (Again, please don't ask how I know...)

HTH/YMMV

ETA: I love Colts, too, but the new ones come 'razor-sharp,' which IMO puts them out of the running for even 'pseudo-serious' use. Sad, but there it is.


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Old 04-22-2010, 05:41 AM
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If NRA Conventional Pistol, I think your best bet would be to buy a standard model Colt or Springfield and send it to a specialist gunsmith to be accurized. That would probably be less expensive[.]

If for IPSC/USPSA or IDPA, the accuracy requirements are less; that standard model Colt or Springfield will do quite well out of the box.
Missed this one on an earlier read. Very well said.

I also agree with Greyson. I had a Kimber Gold Match and my experience with it is identical to his (I no longer have it).
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Old 04-22-2010, 11:17 AM
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smith wesson performance center, accurate tight lockup and no need to send to gunsmith. otd 1750
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Old 04-22-2010, 01:43 PM
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Depends on the type of competition.

The best "bullseye" (Conventional Pistol) gun is probably not going to make the best duel purpose gun. It's also going to approach or even far exceed your limit by the time your done setting it up.

For other pistol competitions you have a lot more leeway. Get what you like in your price range and you'll probably be fine. (Assuming we talking 1911's).
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