I stopped buying Levi's long ago...

[wildfire45]

As an eagle scout and life long cowboy and shooter, i will say that i will NEVER support levis. anyone who is a shooter, or a scout who believes in the principles of scouting, should not support them either.

i wear wranglers 99% of the time, and i have two pair of cinch slims other than that its wrangler 29x32 slims either cowboy cut or premium patch or retro, ive got em all. i chose wrangler because they support hunting and conservation groups, the shooting industry, the country music indistry, and amateur and professional rodeo sports and scholarships.

i also btw support the BSA's anti-gay stance, if you want to be gay fine good for you, but that isnt what BSA is about

on my honor i will do my best
to do my duty to GOD and my country
to obey the scout law, to keep my self physically strong,
mentally awake, and MORALLY STRAIGHT.

if you dont stand for those principles, then dont try to join BSA and dont mess with the principles that have ruled that institution for a century, yes times are changing, but the BoyScouts of America's principles are things that do not need to change, they are fundamental to what this country is about, and critical in producing the first rate citizens that BSA strives to produce.

if you want to have a group with different ideas and theories then start a new organization, but dont mess with one of the most respected and honored organizations in the history of our country.

these are my opinions and i speak for noone officially but myself.

[Kodadek]

Originally Posted by Diamond LawDawg

It's the only brand I wear...from SASS cowboy action shooting to the streets of America,riding my harley or racing one of my cars..gun (ED BROWN Special Forces Commander) on hip and tats on my arms...shiiiiiiit...could care less what the company does as long as they keep making the 517 Bootcut..uniform is now retired so long live my Levis

I'm a young buck and as I said I mainly wear Carhartt but I gotta say the Levi 527 bootcuts are damn comfy and they do wear rather well...a girlfriend bought me a few pair during an attempt to clean me up. Can't say I plan on going out and burning them after reading this.

We all have a right to choose who we support and for what reasons. A myriad number of companies, actors, and the like are pro-this or anti-that to the point where I find it hard to keep up anymore. Of course if you are absolutely desperate to buy American you can try this site out http://allusaclothing.com/ my dad's buddy swears by it though I've never really checked it out before.

[Airedalefrank]

Originally Posted by Herefordman1

I like quality! Carhartt jeans on my butt, Carhartt shirts on my back and a Kimber on my side!!!!

Me Too! Compact CDP II and a Sierra jacket, good to go!

[partsproduction]

I like quality! Carhartt jeans on my butt, Carhartt shirts on my back and a Kimber on my side!!!!

So, you like the high quality MIM parts? I used to be a Kimber guy until I found out how many MIM parts they have, RIA's have a double strike against them since they have the same number of MIM parts and are made offshore.

People, the whole buy America thing is strained. I wish we made more things here but because of unions, government interference and our 'lottery' legal environment we just can't compete.
But the buy from companies that don't support wicked lifestyles I agree with, I won't do business with anyone who lives an openly immoral lifestyle.

[LittleLebowski]

Originally Posted by partsproduction

So, you like the high quality MIM parts? I used to be a Kimber guy until I found out how many MIM parts they have, RIA's have a double strike against them since they have the same number of MIM parts and are made offshore.

Do you have any idea how many guns have MIM parts? Besides 1911s?

[chambersaviator]

You can't buy American all the time. But we should try when we can. I firmly believe that the reason the US companies left are in business, is because of patriotic Americans that care enough to buy from them when they can. I will never stop trying to buy American while I can still get American products.

All you anti-Wrangler-ites: most Wranglers I have seen in feed stores are still made of USA made fabric. They are constructed in Mexico usually though. I buy them but also buy 100% USA made from Pointer Brand.

[71ragtopgoat]

Here you go

http://www.allamericanclothing.com/bottoms.html

For other things try this link

http://www.buyamerican.com/index.html

[partsproduction]

Do you have any idea how many guns have MIM parts? Besides 1911s?

It's Irrelevant since I hardly buy any new guns except for 1911's, and refuse to buy any guns with MIM in them. I also refuse to purchase zinc guns (Zamak) and what's commonly called 'alloy' guns (Aluminum alloy in this case, the Zamak is also an alloy, as is 4140 which is a whole different class of material.) nor any plastic framed guns. Part of how American manufacturers try to compete is by taking shortcuts like MIM. They are extremely adept at either hiding the fact that they are substituting inferior materials or try to hype it by implying that it's high tech.

[GSWEAR]

Originally Posted by Herefordman1

I like quality! Carhartt jeans on my butt, Carhartt shirts on my back and a Kimber on my side!!!!

Carhartt still has some decent stuff, to bad it's made in Mexico, Dominican Republic and points beyond.

[Kodadek]

Originally Posted by partsproduction

So, you like the high quality MIM parts? I used to be a Kimber guy until I found out how many MIM parts they have, RIA's have a double strike against them since they have the same number of MIM parts and are made offshore.

People, the whole buy America thing is strained. I wish we made more things here but because of unions, government interference and our 'lottery' legal environment we just can't compete.
But the buy from companies that don't support wicked lifestyles I agree with, I won't do business with anyone who lives an openly immoral lifestyle.

Might I ask what entails a wicked and immoral lifestyle? Is this from a personal perspective or a religious one?

[AZ Husker]

Guess he won't be buying anything from me!

[SistemaTodd]

Originally Posted by partsproduction

So, you like the high quality MIM parts? I used to be a Kimber guy until I found out how many MIM parts they have, RIA's have a double strike against them since they have the same number of MIM parts and are made offshore.

Oh give me a friggin' break!
Yes, In fact I do like the high quality MIM parts in my Kimber.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
A quality injection molded part, with proper process controls, is just that...a quality part.
MIM is a big, fat, non-issue. Mm-kay?
Quit jacking the thread.

Back OT...5.11 for me. I'm guessing they're properly pro-2A.
Although, being the errornet, somebody will probably come up with some 6 degrees of seperation thing wherein they support the killing of puppies.
.....or something.....

[razorgrind]

Yeah I personally quit wearing 5.11 when they stopped using puppy leather.

[AZ Husker]

So where's 5.11 made Todd? (Just funnin')
I look out of place in anything but Wranglers or Levi's. Are there any American made boot cut jeans made?

[hatidua]

I wear immoral jeans made by several immoral companies at factories in several immoral countries.

I think my SA PRO's have MIM parts in them too

[ninemm]

Originally Posted by az husker

if you're talking about buying american, gun buyers are among the worst offenders. Springfield, taurus, ria, charles daly, glock, para, etc. Are all made in whole or partially out of country.

+1

[cowboybob]

I'm with you Kevin, Wranglers are the only thing I wear

[Trailboss60]

Having lived in the bay Area, I have seen SF based Levi's throw their support for some pretty disgusting causes over the years...screw em.

I can't say that I always succeed, but I try to buy from companies that either stay apolitical or don't act like they have an axe to grind against the second amendment and the RTKBA, and more often than not I email or write them.
Templates stored on the puter make it a snap to modify.


Conversely, I wrote a letter of appreciation to Starbucks for not bowing to the anti-constitutionalist gun grabbers.

[SRJim]

Originally Posted by AZ Husker

So where's 5.11 made Todd? (Just funnin')
I look out of place in anything but Wranglers or Levi's. Are there any American made boot cut jeans made?

Yes, but they're all exported, I think to Haiti.

[Trailboss60]

Originally Posted by AZ Husker

Are there any American made boot cut jeans made?

Good looking jeans, well made, and available in odd sizes too, for that just-right-fit for Iwb... my bro-in law swears by them.
http://www.buddysjeans.com/index.htm


More American made Jean manufacturers:

http://www.americansworking.com/clothingjeans.html

[rodeoclown]

http://www.gussetclothing.com/

I was sponsored by them when I was still doing rodeos I think they are uncomfortable so I just wore them after rodeos but hey I got my jeans and shirts free.You can find them a lot cheaper than on there web site.

[Seven Ring]

Has jeans made out of firehose fabric that is FAR beyond denim for wear and ruggedness. They also have some American made jeans from American denim. The best part is that all thier jeans have a gussett in the crotch area that will give you freedom of movement and comfort for the jewels that will make you never go back to regular jeans again. A friend talked them up, I tried them and will never go back to any others. As far as Levi's, I stopped buying them a long time ago when they stopped supplying the mom & pop stores as not worth thier time. Unfortunately where I grew up, the mom & pop store on the corner was where we bought our jeans. We all went to Wrangler after that.

[partsproduction]

Might I ask what entails a wicked and immoral lifestyle? Is this from a personal perspective or a religious one?

The OP said this;
"Years ago, when I volunteered in scouting while my son was a member, Levi's publicly stated that they would no longer support scouting because they discriminated against gays."

The whole tone is that a company discriminates against Boy Scouts because they supposedly discriminate against 'gays'. The assumption is that either Levi jeans company or Boy Scouts of America is wrong. Wrong may mean many things to you but it's pretty clear to me. If homosexuality isn't wrong then nothing is.

Oh give me a friggin' break!
Yes, In fact I do like the high quality MIM parts in my Kimber.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
A quality injection molded part, with proper process controls, is just that...a quality part.
MIM is a big, fat, non-issue. Mm-kay?

That's your opinion. MIM is a huge deal breaker for me, as are many other industrial short cuts. It goes to the whole reason why we can't compete as a nation. I'd rather buy a cast iron Asian machine tool than a high priced plastic and mild steel American tool, in which technojargon hype is supposed to be a substitute for quality. If you believe the hype enjoy your Mimber.

[IamBigiron]

+1 on the Gusset clothing.

[RobMoore]

Originally Posted by Seven Ring

Has jeans made out of firehose fabric that is FAR beyond denim for wear and ruggedness.

+1 for fire hose pants.

BTW, it is "Duluth Trading Company" for those of you searching for it.