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Old 05-17-2009, 11:28 PM
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Best .45 ACP FMJ (Ball) ammo?




Does anyone know who makes the best .45 Auto FMJ (ball) ammo? Specifically, I'm interested in ballistics. Standard military .45 ACP ball is supposed to leave the barrel of a 5" 1911 at 830 to 850 feet per second. Some of the tests I've seen online for certain brands report much lower velocity (780 fps, for example) than their advertised velocity.

Has anyone used a chronograph to measure the velocity of the common brands of .45 FMJ, i.e. American Eagle, Winchester White Box, PMC, Remington UMC, Magtech, Blazer, etc.? Who actually meets (or exceeds) their advertised velocities?

This ammo is not intended for carry. I just want to stock up on ball ammo that is up to military specs. Thanks.
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Old 05-18-2009, 10:14 AM
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CorBon but their ball load is more a midrange match load

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Who actually meets (or exceeds) their advertised velocities?
CorBon meets their published specifications - including in my experience thier high performance loads but their .45 ball load is more a midrange match load:
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45 AUTO 230GR FMJ 750FPS/287FTLBS PERFORMANCE MATCH 50 ROUND BOX
emphasis added.

I like their heavy bullet .460 Rowland for extra power and don't like abusing my pistol - there is no Utopia and so it goes.

My own reserve stocks of 45 ACP ball are S&B (perhaps the off shore makers such as S&B and Fiocchi are more likely to load full range?) and Winchester white box - I haven't cared enough to chronograph either one - I suspect the promotional and target lines are quite deliberately loaded down for gallery use - and entirely apropriately so - there once were mid-range and full range loads.
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Old 05-18-2009, 10:24 AM
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Right now the best ammo is what's available. I've chronoed most of the differant ball 230gr ammo and the differance in velocity doesn't make any differance in shooting. I've found some to be arround 800fps in a 5" gun and some as high as 850fps. They all functioned the same. If some one was running a heavy recoil and main spring the lighter loads may stove pipe now and then but I was running fresh #16 recoil and #23 main springs with no problems.
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Old 05-18-2009, 10:36 AM
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Does anyone know who makes the best .45 Auto FMJ (ball) ammo?
The closest you'll get to MIL-SPEC Ball is Federal GM45A. It ain't cheap, but it's the best.
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Old 05-18-2009, 10:48 AM
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I've seen the same thing with WWB. I think Winchester and the other domestic manufactures may download the ammo slightly because of the number of older, shot out guns.

Your best bet would be European ammo, either S&B or Fiocchi. Remember .45 ACP was an issue caliber for both Poland and Norway, and no telling how many 1911s fell off the truck in Germany. So they load a lot of it and its a little hotter because Europe is a colder climate, hence hotter loads to function under colder conditions.
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Old 05-18-2009, 12:47 PM
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I would say that the best FMJ would have to be either Winchester white box or Federal. I've tried American Eagle and I'm not impressed. it was pretty dirty to compared to the other brands I've shot.
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Old 05-18-2009, 03:37 PM
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I have shot WWB,Remington and Remington UMC all with great results.I have 500 rnds of PMC waiting to run thru my guns.
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Old 05-18-2009, 03:43 PM
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For years before I started reloading I tried all the various ball ammo for competition shooting. I don't think you could go wrong with PMC. I was chronoed dozens of times with this ammo and it was always right up to the military spec or hotter.

If price is no object Ferderal FMJ 230 grain Match ammo is accurate and hot.... but pricy.
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Old 05-18-2009, 05:17 PM
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Right now the best ammo is what's available. I've chronoed most of the differant ball 230gr ammo and the differance in velocity doesn't make any differance in shooting. I've found some to be arround 800fps in a 5" gun and some as high as 850fps. They all functioned the same. If some one was running a heavy recoil and main spring the lighter loads may stove pipe now and then but I was running fresh #16 recoil and #23 main springs with no problems.
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Very true.

FMC, American Eagle and Fiocchi run pretty clean and hot.

WWB, and Remington UMC not so much.

But if it goes bang, it's good range ammo.
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Old 05-18-2009, 05:42 PM
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Fiocchi 230 grn. my favorite. cheap, clean, flat shooting and hotter than standard factory without being +p....emulates a SD round pretty close.
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Old 05-18-2009, 11:07 PM
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Thanks guys. Sounds like I should give Fiocchi and S&B a try...if I can find any.
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Old 05-19-2009, 05:23 PM
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Some Chrono's I did. Used Baer SRP 5 inch.

WINCHESTER White Box……784.6

MACTECH…………812.5

REMINGTON UMC ………835

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Old 05-20-2009, 02:19 PM
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Thanks Good To Go. Looks like Remington UMC is right where it should be.
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Old 05-20-2009, 09:35 PM
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Any opinions on Blazer 230 gr?
Wally World has it at a reasonable price-when they have it.
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Old 05-21-2009, 12:09 AM
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Some tests that I've found online for various 230-gr FMJ loads:

http://springfield-armory.primediaou.../SPstory21.php
Magtech: 782 fps
Remington UMC: 854 fps

Guns and Ammo Chart
Magtech: 780 fps
(Other 230-gr FMJ loads are listed, but the brands aren't named. )

Most tests that I find seem to be focused on self defense rounds (hollow points, etc.), since FMJ isn't typically used for defense/CCW these days. I guess I'm a purist, but when I shoot my Springfield "GI Mil-Spec" 1911A1, I like to know that the rounds are performing at their expected level.
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Old 05-21-2009, 04:53 AM
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Winchester white box ammo chronographs at an average of 824fps out of my 4.250in barrel, I suspect the velocity to be closer to 830-840fps out of a standard 5in barrel.
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Old 05-21-2009, 06:52 AM
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.....sadly; whatever you can get these days. +1 Fiocchi
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:49 PM
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For the B&B ?

I ran some over a chrono about a week or two ago.

Commander 1#

796,806,806,799,803,795 low,806,820 hi,816,797.
Avg. 804, ES 25 , SD 8

Commander 2#

797,807,814,807,812,803,795,817 hi,810,795 low.
Avg. 805, ES 22, SD 7
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Old 05-21-2009, 05:07 PM
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Anyone have an opinion on the Sellier and Bellot? I got a box of that the other day but haven't used it yet.
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Old 05-21-2009, 05:49 PM
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Anyone have an opinion on the Sellier and Bellot? I got a box of that the other day but haven't used it yet.
Been using it for years both 9mm & .45 and I really don't remember having any problems misfires, etc) ever. Get mine from Natchez Shooters Supply online. No problems with that either.
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Old 05-21-2009, 06:05 PM
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Anyone have an opinion on the Sellier and Bellot? I got a box of that the other day but haven't used it yet.
Very good stuff. Better than W-W or UMC ball.
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Old 05-23-2009, 02:51 AM
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I shot some Magtec and PMC 230gr FMJ today. The PMC produced slightly more recoil than the Magtec. I wish I had a chrono to produce number results.

I also shot some 230gr HST +P for the hell of it, and the +P has noticeably more recoil and shot flatter out to long distances.. 50-75yds. At self defense distances the +P trajectory is irrelevant. The +P recoil also made for slower and sloppier double tap drills.

So, I find PMC to be superior in power to Magtec.
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Old 05-23-2009, 03:31 PM
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Double tap fmj 230gr 1010 fps, pretty hot. And I use BlackHills fmj.
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Old 05-24-2009, 01:28 PM
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Just curious about why you are specifically looking at the fps? I reload my own ball ammo and while I can build a round to go any fps speed, I choose to load my target rounds for about 780 fps because in "MY" 1911 it is most accurate just below 800fps.

When I load to the 850fps neighborhood the grouping opens up more. So I actually save on powder because I use less and I make a more accurate round, recoil and muzzle flip is less, the gun is more controllable, and the gun does not take a beating.
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Old 05-24-2009, 01:43 PM
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Some of the most accurate ammo in my guns is 230 gr Hydra-Shoks and HSTs. They are both arround 900 fps and are close to as accurate as GM 230 gr match. The 185 gr GM match is another story.
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