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Old 03-10-2009, 06:49 PM
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Purchased a 1911 National Match




Hello All,

I just purchased an SA 1911 National Match.

I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet.

Anyone who owns one, I would appreciate anything, comments, tips, etc.

Steve
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Old 03-10-2009, 06:51 PM
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Hello All,

I just purchased an SA 1911 National Match.

I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet.

Anyone who owns one, I would appreciate anything, comments, tips, etc.

Steve
Some pics would be awesome.
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Old 03-10-2009, 07:03 PM
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pictures

I don't have any yet. When I have them, I'll post them
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Old 03-11-2009, 08:13 PM
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Pics and a Range Report

Hello All,

As promised:

Range report, very accurate, very good feel and trigger pull, reasonably easy to adjust the sights. An A+

Some pics:
http://www.sorlando.com/shootpage/1911page.html

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Old 03-12-2009, 08:00 PM
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Why are you calling that a "National Match"? I think that is a GI Springfield with different sights, but I could be wrong.
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Old 03-12-2009, 08:22 PM
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Appears to be one of the "real" Springfield National Match's built by the original Springfield back in the '50s and '60s. Can't find a good pic of an original to directly compare. If so, its in great shape. What's the history?
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Old 03-12-2009, 08:36 PM
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I think it looks like one of the mid-late eighties models from SA Inc. These were sold as the Standard model. A pre-cursor to the GI and Mil-Spec models we see today. I can almost make out what appears to be the SA logo to the left of the ejection port, but then again it could just be a smudge on my screen.

ETA: I can definately see Springfield Armory / Geneseo, IL USA.

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Old 03-13-2009, 10:07 PM
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On the box

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Why are you calling that a "National Match"? I think that is a GI Springfield with different sights, but I could be wrong.
It said that on the box. However, I think the box was swapped out with another Springfield.

I think it is just a M1911A1

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Old 03-13-2009, 10:09 PM
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History?

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Appears to be one of the "real" Springfield National Match's built by the original Springfield back in the '50s and '60s. Can't find a good pic of an original to directly compare. If so, its in great shape. What's the history?
I am going to try and find that out. Can you call SA and find out, if you give them the serial #?

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Old 03-13-2009, 10:13 PM
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Logo?

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I think it looks like one of the mid-late eighties models from SA Inc. These were sold as the Standard model. A pre-cursor to the GI and Mil-Spec models we see today. I can almost make out what appears to be the SA logo to the left of the ejection port, but then again it could just be a smudge on my screen.

ETA: I can definately see Springfield Armory / Geneseo, IL USA.
I looked at the original pic, and I didn't see a logo, but the address is there. The serial # is there but I took that out before I published the pics. I'm paranoid!
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Old 03-13-2009, 10:22 PM
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I am going to try and find that out. Can you call SA and find out, if you give them the serial #?

Steve

Probably not. The original Springfield Armory--a military arsenal--modified stock military 1911s for match use. You can Google "1911 National Match", "Springfield National Match 1911" etc and get a little history. These were used in competitions such as those held at Camp Perry and I believe were made available to civilians through the CMP. Its obvious that I'm not much of a historian on this or any subject, but someone surely is and will jump in. Other than the name "Springfield" there's no connection between the current Springfield Company that makes 1911s and the organization that may have contructed your pistol. I don't believe these were new builds, but built up by master gunsmiths from parts available into competitionn pistols. The Springfield Armory closed for good in the late '60s and the current Springfield Company bought the rights to the name.
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Old 03-15-2009, 04:05 PM
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It is an M1911A1

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It said that on the box. However, I think the box was swapped out with another Springfield.

I think it is just a M1911A1

Steve
I was wrong! On the receipt is said National Match, but on the box it said M1911-A1

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Old 03-16-2009, 12:49 AM
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There are two lines in the SN area of the frame. Looks like a modern SA pistol.

Millett sights didn't exist when the military SA built its match guns. The front sight looks okay like the military unit, but the rear definitely isn't. I agree, its probably a Mil Spec with the "NM XXXXX" serial number
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Old 03-16-2009, 04:29 AM
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sight an add-on

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There are two lines in the SN area of the frame. Looks like a modern SA pistol.

Millett sights didn't exist when the military SA built its match guns. The front sight looks okay like the military unit, but the rear definitely isn't. I agree, its probably a Mil Spec with the "NM XXXXX" serial number
Somebody added on the rear sight. I think the original rear sight is still in the box.

The ser # doesn't include an NM

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Old 03-16-2009, 06:05 AM
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Interesting. Can you click a profile pic of the SN side of the pistol a little closer?
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Old 03-16-2009, 07:49 AM
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Steve,
Either way, it should still make a FINE pistol. It appears to have only had a few small parts replaced, so SA should still warranty any problems unrelated to the new parts. My old Standard model came in basically the same shape...had the sights, trigger and a couple of other parts changed out. In fact, my sights looked very similar to yours. I have since added the YB Retro rear and am currently working to modify the front sight. Swapped the arched MSH for a flat, checkered one and changed out the grips. Here's the before/after although I'm not sure I'm done yet.

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Old 03-16-2009, 01:50 PM
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looks good

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Steve,
Either way, it should still make a FINE pistol. It appears to have only had a few small parts replaced, so SA should still warranty any problems unrelated to the new parts. My old Standard model came in basically the same shape...had the sights, trigger and a couple of other parts changed out. In fact, my sights looked very similar to yours. I have since added the YB Retro rear and am currently working to modify the front sight. Swapped the arched MSH for a flat, checkered one and changed out the grips. Here's the before/after although I'm not sure I'm done yet.

Looks Good!

What does MSH stand for? Are those skeleton triggers better than the conventional ones?

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Old 03-16-2009, 04:17 PM
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MSH=Mainspring Housing

Couldn't say about the skeltonized triggers. I have two or three types and really don't have a preference one way or the other. Most of the newer triggers have the overtravel adjustment screw which does help get rid of the slack in your trigger.
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Old 03-16-2009, 08:19 PM
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Does say NM

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Somebody added on the rear sight. I think the original rear sight is still in the box.

The ser # doesn't include an NM

Steve
I take that back, it does read NM ######

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Old 03-16-2009, 11:29 PM
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Springfield Armory Inc doesn't use the NM serial number prefix to denote national match.
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Old 03-17-2009, 05:28 PM
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what does it use it for

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Springfield Armory Inc doesn't use the NM serial number prefix to denote national match.
What does the NM mean, then?

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Old 03-17-2009, 06:18 PM
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It means the finish machining and fitting of parts (that all come from Imbel in Brazil) was done in Geneseo Illinois. N prefix serials and WW serials are forged, machined and assembled in Brazil. That's all it means...it does not signify National Match.
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Old 03-18-2009, 05:35 AM
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I see

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It means the finish machining and fitting of parts (that all come from Imbel in Brazil) was done in Geneseo Illinois. N prefix serials and WW serials are forged, machined and assembled in Brazil. That's all it means...it does not signify National Match.
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Got It!

I noticed on the box today, that the date was 12/87. I don't know if that was the manufacturing date or what
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