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Old 02-08-2009, 08:27 PM
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Everyone has a .22 rimfire.




Now I would like to hear everyones opinions on .22 cal rimfire ammunition. Ammuntion they like, and dislike and reasons for that. Any observations concerning the same would be very much welcomed by myself. I have a few observations of my own that I will share to get the ball rolling. As I am sure most if not all forum members know that there are probably as many different brands and types of .22 rimfire ammo out there as there are guns to shoot it out of. Most of the major manufacturers sell it under a variety of different brands names. This of course being one of the methods that they use to take over "Market share" And then you have all of the specialised loadings. Long rifles which is probably about ninety percent of whatever anybody shoots. However you still have Long rifles which I think are slowly disappearing due to the same case dimension as the long rifle. You have shorts, CB caps, BB caps, hollow points etc. Then you have the specialty/gimmick loadings. The subsonic, the no gunpowder, the "magnum' loadings etc. I as most of us have done have played around with various of these over the years. It can be as we all know a fun inexpensive passtime. Over time I have observed a few things that I will pass on for review.

1 Years ago when I first started shooting it seemed to me that most.22 rimfire ammo was much more consistant in so far as accuracy and function then it is now with far fewer loadings available then.

2 There is a lot of very poor quality .22 ammo out there now.

3 For real match grade ammo for my Anschutz or my High Standard I have had the best results with the high end Dynamite Nobel, with some of the high end Eley coming in second in the accuracy department.

4 For general use ammo for hunting and general plinking I think that CCI Mini-Mags are about the best you can get. Additionally as .22 rimfire guns tend to be finicky about ammuntion in general. It seems to me that the CCI Mini-Mags generally work well in most guns.

5 Some of the gimmick rounds are fun to fool around with like the Aguila subsonics and the no gunpowder rounds. However I do not see a lot of use for these rounds in the real world.

At any rate, thank you in advance for any information that you would like to share with the forum.

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Old 02-08-2009, 08:33 PM
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The mini mags are the best for me, so far. I have also had good luck with federal in the bulk box.
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Old 02-08-2009, 10:09 PM
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My brother-in-law just bought a Browning Buckmark. He bought a couple of the 550-round Remington "value packs" from Walmart. Too bad he bought two boxes... he had a bunch of misfires in the first box. They all looked like they had a good firing pin strike, but they didn't light off.

I suggested he shoot up what he has left, and pick a different brand.
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Old 02-08-2009, 10:18 PM
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For plinking/blasting ect. I use American Eagle, either the solids or the hollow points. I like the stuff because its copper coated and fairly clean. Other than that I really like mini mags and for when I pop sage rats and jack rabbits I sometimes use stingers, which are real fun to shoot from a handgun.
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Old 02-08-2009, 11:26 PM
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I have several .22 Pistols, some Revolvers, some Automatics.


The Automatics are happiest with 'Standard Velocity' .22 LR ( or can be harmed by anything stronger) , while the Revolvers are happy with High Velocity.


I've noticed that Standard Velocity is harder to find anymore, though High Velocity of course is proliferate...so any odd shelf worn Box of Standard Velocity I find at Gun Shows, or Yard Sales or where-ever, I tend to buy.
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Old 02-09-2009, 12:17 PM
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Sounds typical for Remington ammo

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he had a bunch of misfires in the first box.
What do you expect for cheap ammo, especially Remington? Search for the rants.
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Old 02-09-2009, 01:33 PM
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I have a few oppinions
Of the American Made ammo
CCI seems to be the most consistant.

Remiington seems to be the least consistant.
I would be hard pressed to name any Remington 22 rimfire ammo that is of premium quality. I recomend others to avoid it.

Federal seems to be fine and I have a lot of 711B that shoots very well in my Ruger MKII

I think the Aguila from CMP is a great deal. It shoots really well in my MKII as well but the stuff I have now is a bit waxy and I have to keep the magazine clean for good feeding.
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Old 02-09-2009, 02:51 PM
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More pistol than rifle...

I have a Sig Mosquito in 22LR for plinking purposes. Net consensus - and the manual's advice - is that CCI Mini-mag's are best for this auto pistol. I have ~250 rounds through it, and it works well. I just picked up some Winchester Super-X at Wal-Mart, and plan to see how well that works. So...those Mini-mags cost a little more, but they work well for me. I did rent a Buckmark at the range one time, and they sold me a box of Remington something-or-other for it, and I recall it being pretty dirty. But I didn't have to clean it, so I didn't mind

Well, after a range visit...it only took 40 rounds of the Win Super-X. It's super-something, all right about 30 percent of them failed to cycle the slide. Forgive me, CCI...I'll never doubt again!

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Old 02-09-2009, 04:03 PM
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The mini mags are the best for me, so far. I have also had good luck with federal in the bulk box.

Same for me as well. The Federal bulk box ammo works great. I can shoot sub 1 inch groups all day at 25 yards with my little Marlin 2035. Too bad I cant find any lately. But the mini mags work great too. Just cost a bit more.
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Old 02-09-2009, 06:56 PM
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I have two Neos, two 10/22s, and a CMP M44 and the cheap Remington rounds work fine for all my .22s. $17 per 550. In my M44 and Target 10/22 I get good tight groups at 50 yards. I use the Neoses (Plural for Neos??) for Steel Challenge for my kids and I and they have been good enough. Maybe 1 or 2 failure to fire in a 200 round COF. I could spend more and get something better but for what we do and now many rounds we shoot they work fine for our needs. Next time I am at CMP my will probably pick up a case of their standard velocity stuff to try out.
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Old 02-09-2009, 10:09 PM
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I second CCI MINI-MAGS for all purposes.
I shoot them out of my Rem. 541 bolt for tree rats,I only use solid points cause hollowpoints tear them up to bad if I don't make a head shot .(sometimes the little critters duck)
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Old 02-09-2009, 10:14 PM
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My Ruger MKII 22/45 is very picky. Works reliably only with Federal Bulk and Champion, albeit accuracy is excellent so I'm not complaining. My Single-Six will basically shoot anything under the sun with equal proficiency, but it really works best with the .22mag cylinder in place. Unfortunately, the cost of .22 mag ammo is (still after all these years) not cheap enough for the type of casual plinking that I like to do with the .22LRs.
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Old 02-10-2009, 01:24 AM
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3 For real match grade ammo for my Anschutz or my High Standard I have had the best results with the high end Dynamite Nobel, with some of the high end Eley coming in second in the accuracy department.
MY 2013 rifle was fed nothing but Federal Gold medal. It was good for 1/24 or better MOA. Never had a mis, or hang-fire.
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Old 02-10-2009, 01:24 AM
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Federal #510 "champion" is one of THE best for the money .22lr ammo for every .22lr I own, EXCEPT I dont shoot anything but standard velocity out of my Colt Woodsman Target 2nd series, and my Mossberg 144LS target gun does better with Winchester dynapoints, though it does so well with those I havnt shot much of anything else. My 10/22 with bull barrel will stack round after round of federal champions into the same ragged hole at 25 yards, with ease.

Wolf MT is by far the best target grade ammo for the money. Ive shot 1/4" 5 shot groups at 50 yards with it out of my 10/22. I finally got a few bricks of it so I can actually shoot more of it and see just how well it does...The mossy 144LS needs to be wrung out good.

CCI mini-mags are good too, I have a few of them layin around as well. I actually have a very diverse collection of .22lr ammo. Its all good for something. not a single round of remington rimfire exists in my collection, however. The ONLY remington Rimfire ammo Ive ever found to shoot excellent was their .17HMR ammo, which shot consistant 3/4" 5-shot groups at 100 yards off a bench.
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Old 02-12-2009, 01:05 PM
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my toys like the following

cci blazers - 10-22 and kimber conversion love it. Stevens 6 hates them

Rem coppertops - Kimber loves them ( no misfires after 700 rounds),
ruger is indifferent , and Stevens eats them nicely!

CCI MIniMags - nuff said. they all love them

Win WIldcats - good for a boring day. none of them like it, usually 20% misfires
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Old 02-12-2009, 08:35 PM
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It's saddened me to hear of so many problems with the Remington Golden Bullets. My current, diminishing stash of them is from several years ago. In the past Golden Bullets have been my .22lr ammo of choice. I never had a misfire. It was consistently the most accurate ammo out of my .22s, usually giving me dime size groups in several rifles and only slight more in most other guns out to 50 yards. They were waxy so I had to clean things a little more often, though not that much. I don't clean my .22s until they start getting a bit dirty. I've seen and heard of too many .22s that have been worn out by cleaning, especially the muzzle crowns. I've heard complaints about Remington ammo in center fire over the last few years as well. That really sucks. In the past Remington ammo has been excellent for me and several others I knew. The only Remington .22 ammo I've ever had problems with have been feeding problems with the truncated cone stuff, Thunderbolt and Vipers. Given the bullet shape that isn't surprising.

Actually, until using ammo of any brand in the last few years I've can't recall ever having misfires with a variety of .22 ammo, except for some cheap Federal stuff years back. That stuff did suck consistently. So I guess I'd have to agree with the OP on statement two. I've had guys who actually shoot tell me that American Eagle .22 is great ammo. I still have most of a brick and of what I have shot it has had several misfires and feeding issues. I've had also had some issues with some Winchester Super X, but not as bad as the American Eagle.

I picked up a 333 round pack of Winchester at Wal-Mart the other day. We'll see how that shoots.

While CCI mini-mags have been reliable for me over the years, the old Remington GBs routinely shot tighter groups. Man, I miss that old Stevens Buckhorn Special. Talk about a tack driver. I guess it is time to try some Mini-mags again.

I still have some of the pre-Wolf branded, Russian steel cased ammo. It shoots pretty good, but is just way too dirty to run through a semi-auto. This stuff will black up the innards of one quick. I still have a bit left because I reserve it for single shot or bolt guns that I can remove the bolt on and clean from the breech end. Those kind of actions have come and gone so I don't always have a suitable shooter to launch them from. I wouldn't use then in a lever gun, except maybe a Marlin 39A that you can take down easily to get to the guts.

Regarding the specialty ammo. I have found the Colibri (no powder) rounds fun and good for function testing non-autos. I just really do not like the smell of the primers so that keeps me from using them much. I appreciate the Sub Sonic Sniper rounds in the 60 grain version. Those things do penetrate much better than regular .22lr. I like that extra bit of lead out there. To be honest, and I am not advocating this mind you! Just observing objectively. I could see a good application for them in full length barreled bolt or lever guns, i.e. Marlin 39A, etc., as a poaching round. In 20 - 24 inch barrels they are pretty quiet, though in theory, and most likely practice, you loose velocity in the longer barrel as .22lr is supposedly optimal in 16 inch barrels. Generally speaking of course.

If your rifle shoots the SSS rounds well they might be a consideration in a longer barreled rifle for food gathering in a SHTF scenario where you do not want to gather your meat supplies quietly. Just make sure you can get close enough and shoot well enough to put the bullet in the ear/brain to drop anything of size on the spot as thrashing, crashing, and running game can draw attention you might not want from other rovers in the area. Please don't flame me about unsportsmanlike, or unethical, or about how the .22 isn't suitable. Remember, I stated I'm speaking of a social disorder and upheaval here, where the only rule is survival and you might want to be as unnoticeable as possible. Also don't forget, a little Canadian Indian gal named Bella, held the world record grizzly bear for many years. She shot it with her single shot .22lr. in the ear at very close range when it got too close as she and a friend were picking berries.

Same barrel length scenario goes with CB caps and shorts. I've found both to be extremely quiet out of the longer barrels and good for the occasional feral cat or pest that needs removed in an area where anything else will get you noticed. Just be very sure of your backstop.

Good thread and great info.

P.S. +1 on the Winchester Wildcats. I also had plenty of trouble with those as well as the cheap Federal bulk in the past. In the past the loss leader stuff was iffy, but everything else seemed pretty good.

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Old 02-13-2009, 08:02 AM
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I have a 6" Buckmark that really seems happiest with either Federal Champion or Winchester Wilcat. Strangely it did not seem to throw the Mini Mags nearly as accurately. Guns can be pretty individual sometimes, sorta like their owners I guess......
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Old 02-13-2009, 11:44 AM
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I'm a fairly serious rimfire shooter. Not a competitor but do like to make very small holes in cardboard.

Rimfires are finicky beasts. You can pick up two stock guns of the same make and model with close serial numbers and they will have different preferences in the ammo they like. Nature of the beast. In addition rimfire handguns take it to the next level. Finding something that works great in your rimfire handgun can drive a sane man crazy.

While waiting for barrels to cool during my chrono sessions of centerfire guns I started to chrono 22LR out of my guns. Better than sitting around scratching my uh ... nose. That started a project all its' own. You can see it at:
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...ad.php?t=99009

When I started that project I scoured for every make and model of rimfire on the market. That list had 123 entries. Narrowed that down to 77 entries due to some not being imported into the US, some being too powerful for my actions, some being discontinued, and some being gimmicks (Aguila Colibri). I'd say I'm 3/4 of the way through it. I might live long enough to finish it.

A few things I've noticed.
-Price don't mean squat. I've had some $7 a box ammo that didn't didn't do well. I've had $2 a box ammo that does great.
-What works at short ranges (~50') may or not work well at 50 yd. Bullet speed has a lot to do with it and is the reason all match ammo is below 1100 fps.
-As USMM Guy stated, Dynamit Nobel (RWS) and Eley float to the top for match ammo.
-Also as USMM Guy stated, CCI Mini-Mag seems to work decent across a wide variety of guns. I'd also add the Wolf Match Target which is repackaged SK Standard Plus seems to work well as a low end match ammo for a lot of guns.
-I have no love for Remington rimfire ammo. This does not apply to Remington / Eley, their shotshells or other centerfire ammo.
-Aguila makes pretty darn good inexpensive ammo.
-Rimfire has more lot to lot variation than centerfire.

There is only one way to find what your gun likes. Shoot it for groups off a bench. Once you find what you like then buy a case of that lot.
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Old 02-14-2009, 12:36 AM
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I get the 550 round Federal boxes from Wal-Mart, and have for years. Thousands upon thousands of rounds later, and I'll buy all of the stuff I can. I have Stingers for killing things, CB longs and Colibri for quiet practice, 60gr. Super Sniper(gawd, what a stupid name!!)for the bolt-gun....




I even have tracers, but only 10 rounds.....
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Old 02-16-2009, 09:36 AM
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Ten rounds of .22 rimfire tracer ammo.

Ironhand john, That almost qualifies you as a mall ninja.

Just kidding! If you want a few good laughs visit the mall ninja thread.

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Old 02-16-2009, 02:51 PM
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Since my MKIII purchase,i seek any round nose bullets only, for reliable cycling.However the 10/22 chews up everything.I use stingers for hunting and all other ammo for steel targets.
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:04 PM
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Cheap ammo

I have a few 10-22 rugers with clark bbls. All shoot better than I do my fav will shoot Thunderbolts into a dime size 10 shot group off a bench all day long
at 50 yrds. At the range one day a fellow shooter thought I was putting 10x into the Thunderbolt box to fool people, until he compared his 10x bullets to mine and shot the gun himself he was not buying it. After He made a list of my mods and built one himself, worked for him also.
As an aside all 22's are unique onto themselves and there is no way to know for sure, just shoot differnt loads till you find one your gun likes. Shoot at least 10 rounds of any different ammo to "condition" your bbl before you compare group size.
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:16 PM
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I have a SW22A and I have not had a good experience with it to date. I stopped shooting it all together. It puked on me after 200 rounds or so. I think it was my fault and this must be noted. I was feeding it Remington magnums and it was brand new... This pistol is the only one I sent back to a manufacturer. I received it back from S&W and they include a pistol display on a piece of paper and told me to clean it in a particular spot that I over looked by the trigger. I felt like a jackask.........lol I just bought a brick of blazer non-magnums today. I hope it feeds these with out a hicup.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:38 AM
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I have a few 10-22 rugers with clark bbls. All shoot better than I do my fav will shoot Thunderbolts into a dime size 10 shot group off a bench all day long
at 50 yrds. At the range one day a fellow shooter thought I was putting 10x into the Thunderbolt box to fool people, until he compared his 10x bullets to mine and shot the gun himself he was not buying it. After He made a list of my mods and built one himself, worked for him also.
As an aside all 22's are unique onto themselves and there is no way to know for sure, just shoot differnt loads till you find one your gun likes. Shoot at least 10 rounds of any different ammo to "condition" your bbl before you compare group size.
You get it. In rimfires you have to test and try till you find what that paticular gun likes at the distance you're shooting at.

Thunderbolts in my case wouldn't group at all. Pattern maybe but not group. That's in my gun which doesn't mean squat what it will do in your gun.

I enjoy the journey finding 'the' load for my rimfires. Hunkering down on the bench with a new load to see 'waddle-she-do' is part of the fun. In my case the chrono work with rimfire has been a very interesting exercise.

At www.rimfirecentral.com there's always a few new posts where the shooter has a Belchfire 22 with a Boogerpicker 24 11/16" barrel and asking what load he should be using. We normally give him the usual suspects. Wolf MT, SK, and Mini-Mags to give him something to start with. In the end it's always get a box everything and try it because there is no other way to know what will work in your gun.
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Old 02-22-2009, 10:28 AM
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I find it amazing how the same manufacturers that have given us premium LEO/defense ammo (Remington Golden Saber, Federal Hydra-Shok) seem to treat the .22 as a toy caliber and allow their quality control to be so lax. There are a lot of folks out there who keep .22's for defense, and it would really suck to be facing down a burglar at 3am only to have one's .22 go click or to jam entirely. Fortunately most of us know better than to use a .22, but a huge number of otherwise non-gun people do and they'd expect them to actually work. I could see someday somebody getting killed or wounded thanks to a dud .22 and the manufacturer getting sued over it.
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