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Old 07-02-2008, 12:56 AM
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Black Powder .45 acp




Please don't crucify me for this - It is just a question asked out of curiosity - .
Has anyone ever reloaded a .45 acp using black powder - (yes I know about the fouling involved with black powder - I have been a muzzle loader for many years).
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Old 07-02-2008, 01:10 AM
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I don't think it would hold enough powder to get the bullet out of the barrel.

The 45 Colt with black powder loads is only slightly slower (velocity) than the 45 acp with smokeless powder.

But thats just a guess...
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Old 07-02-2008, 01:25 AM
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My Dixie .45 uses 30 grains by volume - not weight, and it clears the barrel. I have loaded it up to 50 grains (again, by volume) and have been able to punch a round ball through a 5" spruce at 15 yrds.
Now you have me wondering what volume a .45 acp case holds
I will have to check that out.

All of my muzzle loading pistols have a barrel wall of about 5/16" - that is a concern to me - then I look at the wall of a .45 acp barrel. I think that the Black Powder is more violent than smokeless, but do not know. One thing that I do know is that Black Powder has to be packed - an airspace is a bad thing (at least in a muzzle loader).
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Old 07-02-2008, 01:33 AM
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Smokeless powder is WAAAAAAAY faster burning than black powder.
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Old 07-02-2008, 02:37 AM
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Smokeless powder is WAAAAAAAY faster burning than black powder.
Agreed. I use a replica flask to load my original 1860 in .44 caliber, and I haven't looked, but remember the spout measuring about 24 grains. This is to push a lead round ball about 150 grains in weight. The grain measurement is in volume, but I don't think there's any way you could fit the charge in a .45 acp case. Just my .02.
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Old 07-02-2008, 02:49 AM
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I think you are right. I know that 30 grains by volume is a lot, I will measure a .45 acp case tomorrow - but by the "looks" it will not hold more than 20 grains. I guess that explains why the 45/70 has such a long case -

It was not a very serious question anyways - just a what if?

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Old 07-02-2008, 06:59 AM
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Ray Orodrica did it once.
As I recall, if he put a Wonder Wad under the bullet, there was not enough powder to function the gun, but it stayed clean enough to shoot all he cared to hand cycle.
If he used no wad and filled the case to the base of the bullet it functioned for a short time until the gun coked up.

Pity he did not get into SPG lube and heavy compression, I bet that would have worked.

You don't have to have the load of an Army revolver, look at the case length of a .44 Bulldog.
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Old 07-03-2008, 08:46 PM
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I measured about 40 grs by volume. That equaled 26.5 grs by wt. That was to the very top of case. 2FFg.
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Old 07-04-2008, 10:15 AM
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I measured about 40 grs by volume. That equaled 26.5 grs by wt. That was to the very top of case. 2FFg.
And how much of that do you reckon would actually burn in the gun?
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Old 07-04-2008, 07:07 PM
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I've done it with 777. No compression. No airspace.
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Old 07-04-2008, 09:00 PM
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I've done it with 777. No compression. No airspace.
You are giving me ideas
details please
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Old 07-12-2008, 01:36 AM
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Just found this article about a .45 acp black powder
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/black_powder.htm

fun to read
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