Old Gaston

[LW McVay]

He is at it again:

http://www.nj.com/cgi-bin/stats/redi...p=search_blogs

And of course, here come the unionist/wannabe bureaucrat:

http://www.nj.com/cgi-bin/stats/redi...p=search_blogs

[gmcal]

I think officers should be able to choose their own weapon instead of making 1 standard for everyone, but other than that I don't see what the problem is.

What other pistols involved in the trials? How were the committee members selected and do their views represent the remaining 409 department officers?

If they want a 45 and are concerned with additional safeties, why not consider the M&P? The M&P has adustable backstraps and a lot of positive reviews from professionals.

[dsk]

I think Glock made a mistake when they came out with the Gen III frames. They fit my hand perfectly, but people with either larger or smaller hands will often find the finger rests are in the wrong place. The older Gen II pistols without the finger rests usually fit most hands just fine.

[lance22]

I've actually never liked the finger grooves and they don't match my hands real well.

[WalterGC]

Gaston is truly a marketing genius! JMB would be proud! Glock's offer isn't as "insane" as it might first appear. There's nothing about a 15-yr-old Glock that'll cause it to fail, assuming that the agency's Certified Glock Armorer(s) keep the pistols maintained.

Glock will resell the trade-inns for probably what their cost is for a new Glock.

[LW McVay]

Originally Posted by WalterGC

Gaston is truly a marketing genius!

I don't know about JMB being "proud", but Gaston is a genius. Thats why he has dominated the cop market.

[6285108]

The police market is slipping away from Glock little by little, ten years from now I'd be surprised if Glock has 30% of the police market

[leade45]

Other gun companies are finally making decent polymer guns, like the Glock. That is why Glock will lose share.

Typical NJ....wanting to spend $$$$ vs. getting something for free.

[SAWBONES]

IMNSHO, in comparison to the SA XD line, the Glock is the better gun. It has a lower bower bore axis, and is less ugly even though it's a frog-toad comparison.

Dunno why anyone would want to switch, especially when replacement Glocks would be free!

[Cyborg]

I think the solution is simple.
Get the free guns from Glock AND buy the new ones from Springfield, the let the officers choose either/or.
I've shot both and would not be undergunned either way.

Note: I would dump the .40 for the .45 though.

[JD8]

Originally Posted by 6285108

The police market is slipping away from Glock little by little, ten years from now I'd be surprised if Glock has 30% of the police market

Hope you like surprises.


+1 on officer's choice. I can't stand XDs... it's like having a double decker bus for a slide but YMMV. The officer should have a choice.

[Irishlad]

I can't imagine Glock losing a lot of market share if they give away guns.

And, if this is done on a consistent "large scale", how do they make money if a large portion of their business is LEO? Make it up on civilian sales perhaps!

[JohnC]

Get both and sell off the new free Glocks.

[fightfan]

It's this kind of manouver that feeds the fallacy of the "Glock perfection" propaganda campaign. Who cares if the new guns fit and shoot better for almost all of the officers polled? Why would they need to shoot better? The state saves money that they can later spend on other worthy projects, right?

[dsk]

Originally Posted by Irishlad

I can't imagine Glock losing a lot of market share if they give away guns.

And, if this is done on a consistent "large scale", how do they make money if a large portion of their business is LEO? Make it up on civilian sales perhaps!

I assume you're not aware of the huge margin Glock has on their handguns.

[LW McVay]

It'd bet it doesn't cost but about $50 to produce a Glock. And thats with labor. The material probably comes in around $20.

[HiVelSword]

Originally Posted by SAWBONES

Dunno why anyone would want to switch, especially when replacement Glocks would be free!

Because the Glock pistols replacing their 23's they've had for 15 years will now have finger grooves. Obviously most of them are not fond of the finger grooves. DSK hit the nail on the head. It was a mistake to incorporate them.

[6285108]

Originally Posted by HiVelSword

Because the Glock pistols replacing their 23's they've had for 15 years will now have finger grooves. Obviously most of them are not fond of the finger grooves. DSK hit the nail on the head. It was a mistake to incorporate them.

Finger grooves and all those recalls..er...updates are innovation

[jocko]

when your the number one LEO weapon in the world, EVERYONE is taking aim at u. Not a bad feeling for glock and glock owners. Lots of good guns out there now , so competition is fierce. Most LEO's that I talk to like a weapon with less gadgets on them. Thats why Glocks are so popular to this day with damn little changes in over 20 years.

[HiVelSword]

Originally Posted by jocko

when your the number one LEO weapon in the world, EVERYONE is taking aim at u. Not a bad feeling for glock and glock owners. Lots of good guns out there now , so competition is fierce. Most LEO's that I talk to like a weapon with less gadgets on them. Thats why Glocks are so popular to this day with damn little changes in over 20 years.

Yes they like the 5.5 pound trigger and no other safety. That DEA cop in that classroom REALLY liked his Glock .40 and if his right leg could talk I'm sure it would say, "Thanks @#$!%*!!!"

Less gadgets, sure. But I would be willing to bet that more AD/ND's have been attributed to Glocks than other designs.

But hey, I understand that Glock has THREE safeties. All of which are disengaged when you pull the trigger.

*psssst* Then how are they safeties?

To me, since those Trenton NJ cops are looking at the .45 XD they should consider the one with the frame mounted safety. Draw. Swipe. Bang.

Easy. Doesn't take a lot of getting used to.

[HiVelSword]

For the heck of it I went on the Glock site and came across this gem:

Every use of a firearm exposes users to tremendous psychological strain. Learned patterns are easily forgotten in such borderline situations and complex operating elements become a deadly trap. GLOCK offers the best solution to this problem: “Safe Action“!

So for all those who carry a 1911 (or anyone who uses a pistol with the safety engaged) you're doomed! You will "easily" forget to take off the safety and therefore you will fall into a "deadly trap".

I'm surprised the webmaster didn't include:

Revolvers: consistent trigger pulls but they're too long, capacity is too small and they are heavy

DAO autos: Trigger pull is too long. Glock's are better. Don't mention the Para Ordinance LDA because it's still a 1911 and Glock's are better. Besides, they are too heavy

Springfield XD: Higher bore axis and Glock's trigger is better "neener-neener"

HK's: We have it all over them. And don't EVEN mention the P7's. You will forget to squeeze the cocking lever in a life or death situation!

SIG 250, Steyr M1A series, Walther P99, Beretta Px4, Taurus 24/7, Ruger Sr9: Utter and total failures. Glock's are better in every conceivable way!!!

MuuuuhahahahaHAAAA!!!!!!!!

[Slvr Surfr]

Detty said the Springfield's trigger is more crisp and its grip has a safety feature, but there's nothing wrong with the Glock.

What planet is this dude living on ? The trigger is more crisp . Glock has one of the most consistent and clean triggers of any polymer guns I have ever shot. I hated my XD trigger. It was the one thing I could not stand.

As for the XD vs. Glock debate I am for the glock. Its tried and proven. The XD still has a ways to go to meet or beat glock reliability. The glock is also a whole heck of a lot easier to service.

[45caldan]

Originally Posted by Slvr Surfr

Glock has one of the most consistent and clean triggers of any polymer guns I have ever shot.

I agree 100% Glock's short reset makes it (IMO) the best non 1911 trigger I've tried. I've never tried an XD that's had a trigger job but I hear it helps ALOT. I prefer to be able to buy a gun and go shooting rather than sending it off to a smith 1st.

[Jobe]

Originally Posted by Cyborg

I think the solution is simple.
Get the free guns from Glock AND buy the new ones from Springfield, the let the officers choose either/or.
I've shot both and would not be undergunned either way.

Note: I would dump the .40 for the .45 though.

+1 The extra price for 2 different types of ammo shouldn't be a problem if they have all that extra money to spend.

[WalterGC]

Originally Posted by 6285108

The police market is slipping away from Glock little by little, ten years from now I'd be surprised if Glock has 30% of the police market

Upon what empirical data do you base your prognostication of doom for Glock? I'm truly curious about this!