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Old 02-19-2008, 04:37 PM
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Llama 9mm?




I have been toying with the idea of getting a 1911 in 9mm. A shop in town has a Llama IXC Gov't Model 9MM for a good price.

Are the Llama pistols any good? Can I use other manufacture magazines in it?
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Old 02-19-2008, 05:48 PM
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I have also been thinking about it myself, anyone out there hve any experiences with one?
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Old 02-19-2008, 06:28 PM
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I havn't heard anthing good about them, but if all you want to spend on a pistol is $300 or so, then good luck. You're going to get what you pay for..

Also, a lot of their parts aren't interchangeble with "real" 1911 parts.. It's a proprietary gun..
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Old 02-19-2008, 07:10 PM
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llama is discontinued.keep that in mind when pricing.Replacement parts are going to be hard to find and as already stated very limited parts will exchange with the 1911 pistol.Most that are listed to fit take a fair amount of hand fitting.The lama's are not the greatest as far as machine marks,sharp edges and reliability.If its cheap enough and you are into tinkering the go for it, but otherwise save your money for something else.
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Old 02-19-2008, 07:43 PM
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you'd be better off with a rock island or saving $200 more and getting a mil spec springer
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Old 09-13-2008, 08:12 AM
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I have been toying with the idea of getting a 1911 in 9mm. A shop in town has a Llama IXC Gov't Model 9MM for a good price.

Are the Llama pistols any good? Can I use other manufacture magazines in it?
Are you sure it's a Model IX-C? The IX came in 7.65 para, 9mm Largo, and .45, I believe the IX-A was the same, but with the grip safety added (with the later production in .45 only), and then the B, C, and D, I think, were all chambered for .45. Until 1986, the only Llamas I know of for certain that were chambered for 9mm were the XI and XI-B (I have an XI-B). In '86 they had something they just called a Compact Frame Automatic, which came in either 9mm or .45, and they also had what they called a Large Frame Automatic, in either 9mm, .38 Super or .45. Neither of these were given an actual model number, like the earlier Llamas were. Is there any chance that the one you were looking at was a 9mm Largo rather than a 9mm Para.? If so, it's a pretty rare gun, I wish I could find one.

Anyway, ignore the nay-sayers. Llama autos are extremely reliable guns. That's probably why nowadays you can't buy one for book value. I regularly see Very Good condition guns going for as much as or more than the book value for NIB, and they're being bought by people who really know Llamas, since almost nobody else is interested. I think they never got popular in the US because in the earlier years few people knew about them and they were inexpensive (in the US we tend to think expensive means high quality), and, by the time they started to get a reputation as good guns, because they are single action, single stack mag guns, and Americans nowadays love high capacity double action autos. It also probably didn't help in the beginning that Gabilondo started out, around WWI, making a gun called a Ruby, which was pretty bad. In fact, they started making Llamas in '31 in an attempt to restore the reputation of Spanish gun making. They are well made , almost dead copies of the Colt 1911, evidenced by the fact that a lot of 1911 parts will work in Llama .45s. In fact, some very few 1911 parts will work in about any caliber Llama Compact or Large Frame auto, except maybe the Large Frame .22.

You have to watch out for one thing - they had QC problems for a while, in either the '70s or '80s, I THINK it was the '70s, so avoid Llamas made then - you could get a good one or a piece of junk. And parts are hard to find; when Gabilondo shut down in '99 nobody else started making parts, and pretty much all the parts that were left over then are gone by now, even Numrich and Bersa don't have much of anything left. The best source now is the internet, either do a Google search or check out places like GunBroker, where you may find someone parting out a non-functional gun. I found a whole Model XI-B that way, lacking only the recoil spring, grips, and barrel, and bought it for $190, so I have plenty of parts for mine. That even got me a 3rd magazine.

I've had Llamas since the mid '70s, when a Model III-A .380 was my first off duty gun when I became a cop, and I never had any trouble with any of them. I have heard that extractors have been known to break, and that once in a while a slide goes due to problems in the metal, but I never had either happen, and I wonder if both those problems, especially with the slide, might have come from the guns they made when they had bad QC for a few years.

As for magazines for a 9mm Llama, they aren't that hard to find. Triple K has them, so does Gunclip Depot ([email protected]), and you could probably find even more by searching the net. I also wouldn't be surprised if a Colt 9mm mag worked, too.

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