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Old 12-08-2007, 03:57 PM
HIPCHIP HIPCHIP is offline
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1911 style vs non 1911




I'm looking at getting a pistol for competition and concealed carry. As a police officer I carried a S&W 4006. I like the idea of DA/SA for the firing as cocked and locked never appealed to me (I know, I just have to get used to it). I've been looking and like the S&W 1911 model, but was wondering what you folks thought between the 1911 model and something like the 4506? What other models are like the 4506 in .45 ACP?
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Old 12-09-2007, 04:30 PM
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Big 1911 fan here. As far as the S&W 1911's I have the 108285 with the GI recoil system and no forward serrations.I like them that way the best.
Police duty? For normal patrol operations,no special unit,traffic stops,answering calls etc. I always felt better with the DA/SA autos. I think you should stick with your 4006 for that purpose.Domestic calls-safety engaged in case of gun grabs. Traffic stops-safety off- etc.,etc, You get the picture. Plenty of S&W DA/SA .45 models out there if you just want to go to the bigger round. I'm not a big .40 fan but it may be the best combo for police work these days. If I were still active the 4006 is probably what I would choose if I had the choice.
For carry and competition I like the S&W and Springfield 1911's,and you won't break the bank with one.

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Old 12-09-2007, 04:46 PM
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Same here, if your a officer you should go with the SA/DA semi incase of a quick gun draw if needed.
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Old 12-09-2007, 04:57 PM
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S&W's 1911 is a nice pistol and feels good in the hand as does all 1911's. I am retired now, but our Department went to the S&W double action only pistols at one point. They were very accurate, but had an odd feeling grip. It felt like a brick to me. After I shot the pistol a few times at each range session I could make very good hits with it. It was as if I had to warm up with the pistol each time. Later they gave us a choice and I got a Sig P-220 in .45 acp. Much better pistol for me. No warm up needed.

They now carry the Glock and the firearms instructors say that the shooters seem to score better than when they carried the S&W DAO pistols.

I have 14 or 15 1911 style pistols and they are the best do everything pistol you could buy. (I don't care what they say...Glock is cocked and unlocked)

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Old 12-10-2007, 03:36 AM
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I'm looking at getting a pistol for competition and concealed carry. As a police officer I carried a S&W 4006. I like the idea of DA/SA for the firing as cocked and locked never appealed to me (I know, I just have to get used to it). I've been looking and like the S&W 1911 model, but was wondering what you folks thought between the 1911 model and something like the 4506? What other models are like the 4506 in .45 ACP?
Thanks in advance for all the help.
Dan'o :}
I've always felt that SA/DA pistols were an accident waiting to happen. That change in trigger pull has sent many an accidental 2nd shot heavenward. Ither a cocked and locked SW1911 or the M&P are excellent choices.
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Old 12-10-2007, 01:00 PM
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CHP used the S&W 4006, which is DA the first round and SA thereafter. I always fired it like I did my DA and had no problems with it, and since we do double taps most of the time anyways it worked out OK. The range guys wanted Glocks, but the Dept didn't want to, for unknown reasons. They just went to the 4006 TSW, but I don't know the difference between the TSW and previous model. I guess I'm just comfortable with what I was taught with, so if I get a 1911 I'll get used to it and will probably feel more comfortable as I get used to it.

Now if I can just figure out where I can get a spare $1000 to get a gun and equipment????? And right at Christmas time too!
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Old 12-12-2007, 03:23 PM
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I am a big fan of Smith semis and have a safe full but my personal favorites are the Shorty 45 and the 4566 Recon. For stock semis, I favor the 4566, 4513 and the 457. The 457 is fairly lightweight, has a 3.5 barrel and will hold 8plus one in the chamber. You can find them new for around $500 and used approx $300 to $350. CDNN, Kentucky Imports and Summit Gun Brokers usually have a fairly good selection of LE trade-ins that haven't been shot much and other than holster marks are in great condition and normally S&W will honor the lifetime warranty even if your not the original owner!
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Old 12-20-2007, 07:07 PM
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I am also a big 1911 fan, although my wife likes her 9mm S&W auto. I do not care for Glocks, although have a couple. I have S&W Chiefs Specials in .40 S&W and .45 ACP. They are O.K. SIGs are interesting as are the new autos from Ruger. Of course Para Ord. in Canada makes their LDA system on a 1911 so folks do not see the cocked hammer, but you still have the thumb and grip safety.
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Old 12-20-2007, 07:28 PM
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Well, I think I can't make up my mind, so I may just get one of both. I currently have a Ruger P89 9mm, but I keep hearing stories about how wimpy the 9mm can be, so definitely think I'll upgrade to something bigger. Going to go to the range and rent a couple of guns to see how they shoot then figure it out from there. I like the H&K HK 45, but am now checking out several of the other "Plastic" pistols.
Thanks for the info.
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Old 12-21-2007, 06:56 AM
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I'm a 1911 fan too (got 9 of 'em). My Scandium S&W is my favorite of 3 Commanders, it is my carry IWB. Suberb gun.
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Old 12-26-2007, 04:27 PM
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Find a (likely big) range where you can rent guns and shoot them and see what you like and what feels best to you. Depending on where you like it may be a drive but it is worth it to check out different hardware.
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Old 12-26-2007, 05:27 PM
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Find a (likely big) range where you can rent guns and shoot them and see what you like and what feels best to you. Depending on where you like it may be a drive but it is worth it to check out different hardware.
My local gun store has a range and rents guns, so I was hoping to be able to do just that. Biggest problem now is I went broke for Christmas and two days a go the vacuum died, so that was another $460 today, so may have to put off a new toy for several months. Oh well, at least it allows me to do some more homework and test several guns. At least I have my 9mm to play with until I can get what I want.
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Old 01-04-2008, 09:02 AM
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S and W DA/SA guns

HIPCHIP If I knew that tommorow I was going to a gun fight and could only bring one handgun. Most likely it would be my S and W 4566. This gun is the same as the 4506 only with a barrel length three quaters of an inch shorter. I have a pretty good number of guns to choose from and would also feel pretty confident with one of my Colts. However my S and W edges them out slightly in accuracy. Additionally the one extra round that it carries is nice also. By the way I am not entirely comfortable with the cocked and locked carry of the Colts either.

My two cents.
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Old 01-04-2008, 09:47 AM
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Thanks for that. I have to hold off getting something for right now as Christmas pretty much drained all the spare change from the bank, but now is the time I still do my homework, so this info is definitely something I'll look in to.
Dan'o :}
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Old 01-04-2008, 04:24 PM
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I'm of the opinion that nobody has made a semi-auto any better than the Smith "Third Generation" series. Reliable, well-made and (most of the time) accurate. It's also my not so unbiased opinion that the 945 is the finest .45 ACP pistol ever made, bar none!
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Old 01-06-2008, 05:15 PM
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The 457 is a great carry gun.
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