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Old 09-01-2006, 12:21 PM
kenth kenth is offline
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Got My New Sps Plus ....40cal




shoots great no problem .. its like my old sti..... why buy sti if you can get sps on a lower price... youre wasting your cash just for the brand name STI!!!!
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Old 09-01-2006, 09:15 PM
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Who is SPS?
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Old 09-01-2006, 10:31 PM
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Why buy STI? well in the USA the SPS guns are a violation of copy right laws. They are a foreign company making knock offs of the STI wide body guns and grips. I'm not positive that you are even supposed to be able to buy/import them here.
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Old 09-02-2006, 01:05 AM
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Ditto, patent violation. SPS- F^*&( THIE%^s
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Old 09-02-2006, 08:36 AM
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Why don't you post it in the SPS forum where it belongs? You'll note that this forum is STI/SV, not STI/SV/and Cheap, Foreign Rip-Off Products.

Now go back to Napster and steal some music.
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Old 09-02-2006, 09:22 AM
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Taurus looks to be a copy of S&W designs but they seem to be able to sell these in the US.

As for the SPS, I'd be more concerned with customer support. If you're a high volume shooter you will most likely need some help at one time or another. With an STI or SVI you've got someone who is willing to make it right.
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Old 09-02-2006, 03:03 PM
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I don't know the history behind STI/SVI and SPS, but I've heard from a few sources that Betetta and S&W sold their Brazillian machinery and facilities to Tarus. If they were trying to protect trade secrets and patents that sale would not have made sense. Of course, I may have some bad information there. Maybe somone "in the know" could clear it up.
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Old 09-02-2006, 07:19 PM
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I for one will be glad when the patent runs out. The STI/SVI guns are way over priced. It is not some "badge of honor" to be taken. I see the same indignation on the Enos site when someone suggests they are over priced.
If I could buy a SPS for $500-$700 less than a STI I would do it in a heart beat.
Someone needs to tell me how a BUL M5 can be bought for $600-$700 yet the STI runs $1,700-$1,800. I have shot both. The STI is not put together any better than the BUL.
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Old 09-03-2006, 08:36 AM
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Someone needs to tell me how a BUL M5 can be bought for $600-$700 yet the STI runs $1,700-$1,800. I have shot both. The STI is not put together any better than the BUL.
You're probably right... If your intended use is to throw an hundred rounds of lead at some paper a few times a year. People who shoot tens of thousands of rounds a year and continue to win matches with near stock STI and SV guns seem comfortable with their value. Most of the people I know who compete with STI guns and frames are over 50K rounds through their guns and I know quite a few who are well over 100K and a couple who are over 200K with original frames. With that kind of usage the extra cost becomes trivial.
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Old 09-03-2006, 09:52 AM
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STI vs. SPS

SEE even in magazines STI vs. SPS I think SPS is trying to cope up with STI... but for me I am an STI fan... no offense to SPS , but Im looking forward to own an SPS pistol.


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Old 09-04-2006, 07:52 AM
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Shoot or look ?

I've got both: An STI executive and an SPS plus II.
For the look and the finishing, the STI is far away the most beautiful.
For shooting it's simply and mainly the same.
The more important question is how long those guns will shoot without breaks ?
No answer is needed for STI !
And my SPS have shoot about 18000 rounds for now and a very good gunsmith take a look at every pieces of the gun Last week. He says that gun is able to shoot more than 100.000 rounds more regarding the actual state of the pieces. He was agree with my choice to start shooting IPSC with that 'low price' gun (like he says).
And for now, i've bought an STI because a fell in love when i see it.
I will shoot with both because i trust in my SPS as well as i trust with STI.
Rendez-vous in more than 2 or 3 years for the feed back ...
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Old 09-05-2006, 11:25 AM
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sps 40 cal

hello tin can send me a pic of your sps long frame plus2.... here is my email add [email protected]... so i could compare mine with yours thanks.. hopping for your early reply..

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Old 09-06-2006, 03:28 AM
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info copy & paste from SPS web site

For the first time SPS will be present as Sponsor to exhibit/sell its products at the 2006 Limited/Lim 10 Nationales USPSA to be held by middle of September in Barry (ILL.).
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Old 09-06-2006, 04:12 AM
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if my trojan is overprice so are every gun in my safe! Personaly i think its the best made and fit 1911 for a grand out there.
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Old 09-17-2006, 03:50 PM
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I've got both: An STI executive and an SPS plus II.
For the look and the finishing, the STI is far away the most beautiful.
For shooting it's simply and mainly the same.
The more important question is how long those guns will shoot without breaks ?
No answer is needed for STI !
And my SPS have shoot about 18000 rounds for now and a very good gunsmith take a look at every pieces of the gun Last week. He says that gun is able to shoot more than 100.000 rounds more regarding the actual state of the pieces. He was agree with my choice to start shooting IPSC with that 'low price' gun (like he says).
And for now, i've bought an STI because a fell in love when i see it.
I will shoot with both because i trust in my SPS as well as i trust with STI.
Rendez-vous in more than 2 or 3 years for the feed back ...
Hello I come from holland and they sold a lot of sps guns here,they are a lot cheaper than the sti and svi,the sps will stay as good as the sti svi they use barrels from walther germany,in holland a lot of sti shooters had with parts broken,i never heard of parts becoming bad of the sps guns, i have a sps plu 2 in 40 sw and ifired up to 5000 rouns had no problems.

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Old 09-17-2006, 05:20 PM
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There is a big difference in being a complete copycat/knock-off company and mimicking certain features of competitors' successful products (e.g. SA coming out with the Black Stainless model after Kimber set the world on fire with its Custom Eclipse II series).

I wouldn't want to do business with a knock-off company.

Dave Skinner and the guys and chicks at STI produce great weapons at great prices, and the follow-up service is good.

Dave personally called me because I had a problem with a Trojan.

That's right, the owner and president of the company called me about a problem with a $925 gun.

The problem was resolved, and I have subsequently purchased several more STIs.

Their R & D and product development folks are great.
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Old 09-17-2006, 10:08 PM
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I've got a Trojan in .40.
I don,t think it is overpriced.
It's a great pistol for a fair price.
If it's not an STI..it's just a copy..or was it...If it's not a Colt it's just a copy.
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Old 09-18-2006, 06:29 AM
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The only brand loyality I have is $$$$. If I can buy the same quality gun for hundreds of dollars less then why should I not. I have examined plenty of STIs. They are not made any better than a BUL. I just finished building a STI from scratch. I wound up using a .40 Kimber slide I had after having to send two STI slides back due to poor quality. Guess I have a Stimber now.
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Old 09-18-2006, 10:14 AM
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STIMBER... LOL! That's a good one.
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Old 09-20-2006, 05:09 AM
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I've got a Trojan in .40.
I don,t think it is overpriced.
It's a great pistol for a fair price.
If it's not an STI..it's just a copy..or was it...If it's not a Colt it's just a copy.
STI is a copy of the original Tripp-McCormick-Strayer design.............
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Old 09-20-2006, 12:04 PM
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STI is a copy of the original Tripp-McCormick-Strayer design.............
It might be a copy of sorts but dont forget Strayer and Tripp are the "ST" in STI.
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Old 09-23-2006, 10:53 AM
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STI is a copy of the original Tripp-McCormick-Strayer design.............

Well since Dave Skinner bought the rights to produce the pistol from one of the original people who designed it, saying it is a copy is a bit misleading.

STI and SVI originated from the original makers of the gun and share it design. SPS has no affiliation with either of them so their gun is what I consider a copy.

In your thinking since Colt has changed hands they are copies.
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Old 09-23-2006, 05:56 PM
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Well since Dave Skinner bought the rights to produce the pistol from one of the original people who designed it, saying it is a copy is a bit misleading.
And some of the people originally involved in the design are still employed byt STI.
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