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Old 04-25-2006, 01:17 PM
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Can anyone point me to the "Larry Vickers Sand Torture Test" thread?




I know Mr. Vickers is unregistered here, but I was wondering if the thread was still in existence. I'd like to read it again. I tried searching, but found nothing.

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Old 04-25-2006, 01:55 PM
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That thread is no longer available.

Hopefully someone saved a copy of it.
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Old 04-25-2006, 05:29 PM
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This is all I have of it.

"Sand Test

Just had a chance to do a harsh sand test on few different handguns. This test was not scientific but was very enlightening.

Pistols tested were; HK USP Tactical
Customized 1911
rack grade GI 1911
Glock 21

Test consisted of placing each pistol loaded in a Bianchi GI field holster inside a plastic bag with approx 2 cups of fine/medium grit sand ( North Carolina type). Then the bag was shaken vigorously for 10 seconds while holding onto the pistol butt for safety. The pistol was then taken out and 3 mags were fired through the 1911 and 2 fully loaded mags were fired through the HK and Glock - roughly the same amount of ammo. The sand coverage was very good and uniformly covered the pistols. The pistols were loaded in the mode you would expect in a field environment - condition 3 for the 1911, loaded for the Glock and loaded in DA mode for the USP.A test was done dry and lubed with TW 25B. This test represented EXTREME sand conditions - not normal field use, even in sandy conditions.A brief rundown of the results follow;

1)Carrying your gun dry in this environment is a NO GO despite what some will say. All pistols performed worse dry than lubed.

2)All pistols required some manipulation in order to fire - none would function normally straight out of the holster.

3)Overall the HK USP performed the best - the performance of it dry was roughly the same as the customized 1911 but was definately the best lubed. Overall it performed well.

4)The custom 1911 was second - interestingly enough the trigger track was not a real problem - the sand that went in through the ejection port to the bottom lugs area caused the most problems. Once the sand shifted in this area the pistol functioned better.

5)The rack grade GI 1911 was a distant third - the custom 1911 had an 18 pound recoil spring and that helped with feeding greatly vs the rack grade gun. Swap out the recoil spring and it probably would have done better.

6)The shocker of the day - the Glock 21 FAILED terribly. The big problem was failure of the trigger to reset. Also at times the pistol would not fire due to sand in the trigger mechanism. The dry test could not even be completed with the Glock due to this.This surprised all of us as we expected the Glock to do quite well.

Moral of the story; The 1911, even in its customized mode, can get the job done if you set it up to succeed. Lube it right, carry it in the right holster and in the proper mode, and it won't let you down - just like it hasn't for nearly a 100 years.

The HK USP series are good guns - well designed and well made - for service pistols. The ergonomics hurt the pistol dramatically but for an out of the box service pistol/field gun, they get my endorsement.

The Glock 21 is a dog - always has been. It has the rep of being the worst gun Glock makes. I have a Glock 17 and 19 and like them for what they are - but don't get sucked into the Glock hype - they are not magical guns. Remember what your dad said when you were in 3rd grade; don't believe everything you read.

Hope you guys got something out of this - I did." Larry Vickers

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Old 04-25-2006, 07:14 PM
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There you go!

Thanks for posting that, I usually cut, paste and save interesting threads but that one eluded me.

Can anyone provide the rest?

Mods, can a copy of the thread be resurrected?

It had some good info.

Although I do have to note that there is a gent over on ARF.COM who ran a WILDLY abusive test on a Glock 21 over an extended period of time with altogether different results.

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Old 04-25-2006, 07:32 PM
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In addition Sean, we (Steve and I) did a sand test of our own with several different handguns, including my PROs, a Kimber, S&W revolver, Glock and HK USP (IIRC).

Be well!
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Old 04-25-2006, 07:32 PM
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Both tests are based in just ONE sample of each
...I take them both with a grain of salt.
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Old 04-25-2006, 09:14 PM
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Damian;

I wasn't aware that you had conducted tests.

I would be glad to read your results, if you are willing to share.

I'd bet the Pros did very well.

You still have my e-mail?
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Old 04-26-2006, 07:06 AM
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Damian, sorry I didn' read it, simultaneous posts!!

BTW, I'm always interested in reading these kind of tests (anecdotal or not), they always add to our collective experience with the guns and help form an idea of their performance.
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Old 04-26-2006, 12:26 PM
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So what DID happen to the Larry Vickers posts? I did a search, but could find nothing? Were they deleted?
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Old 04-26-2006, 03:18 PM
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Yes, I still have your addy!

Sean, Tiro, and Aubrey, I don't have the time to assist you at this very moment, but I assure you I will get to you soon.

BTW, I am first to admit that the "test" is not scientific. In fact, it is probably more aptly termed a "project". At any rate, it is interesting. I don't know of anyone else that will beat on $7000 worth of handguns just for the sake of curiosity.

DW

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Old 04-26-2006, 03:35 PM
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Damian;

Take your time, I'm sure it will be worth it!

Gotta love a guy who beats on big dollar guns for the information gleaned.
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