10 day waiting period (stupid question)

[Greg1911]

How does the waiting period work I filled out the paper work last wednesday and its a ten day wait so do I get the gun this saturday? or is it business days?

[Siberian64]

Are you in CA? It's 10 consecutive days starting the next business day if after 2pm. I Bought a gun on Wednesday as well, I pick it up on Sunday the 20th. Call your dealer on Friday to confirm the pickup day and time.

Incidently, what did you get? I bought my wife a Ruger Mk II .22, stainless with the bull barrel, real nice.

[Greg1911]

I am getting a mini 14 ranch rifle it looks like a fun gun the thing is I want to go shooting sunday or monday so hopefully I will get the gun before I have to get back to school on tuesday! Too bad I filled out the paperwork after 2:00pm. Have fun with your .22 those guns are so fun because ammo is so cheap and yours should be very accurate.

[AC's & 45's]

YES it is a stupid law. The criminals don't wait 10 before stealing their weapons or buying out of the " trunk of a car".

It is supposed to be a cooling off period or so the local sherrif's offiice claims. I usually make a point of telling the clerk there is no hurry. I have guns in the safe already.

In Boone County, MO at least it is 10 M-F working days. That is the crap that came out of the clerks mouth on serveral occasions.

They made me wait 2 full weeks before. Supposedly because the "officer" who does the checks was gone on vacation.

Funny thing though, after I finally did get my purchase permit it had been signed off two days after I submitted it.


One other time I wasn't in any rush so I waited the 10 days before calling. When I did call about it, I was told you didn't submit an application. I promptly told the woman I was speaking to The date, the time and the clerk's name. I then told her I wanted to speak to her supervisor. Damdest thing, it turned up about thirty seconds later, approved just minutes before I called.

I don't like jumping through somebody else hoops in order to express my 2nd ammendment rights.

[pilk]

Excuse me Mr. Criminal you will have to wait 10 days and fill out 12378 different forms in triplicate, then be approved or not by someone who is paid by a liberal demarat, before you can actually rape my wife murder my kids, shoot my dog and torture me to death. thank you.
Pilk

[Siberian64]

Let me add that holidays do not count either. I really don't have a problem with running a check of say your driver's license against the criminal database; that could be done in minutes over the computer network. 10 days is just excessive.

Greg, you are gonna love that mini-14. I had one many, many years ago! I was recently thinking about a mini-30 but have seen alot of press about poor accuracy. I'm thinking I'm going to hold out a little longer and get an M1A. Have fun!

[JTB]

Just wanted to get you guys more angry. I live in Penna. where we have an instant background check. It takes about five minutes and cost $5 and you take the gun with you.

To get a protection and conceal permit, I went to my local court house and said I wanted one. They did the same background check and charged me $20 for a 5 year permit which I left with. It took maybe 10 minutes.

Sorry, but I couldn't resist.
JTB

[MADman]

Just to confuse things...

The law in Kalifornia is not 10 business days. In actuality, it is 10 24hour periods from the moment the gun is DROSed. Dealers MAY require you to come in AFTER the 10th day passes, but that is not the way it has to be. Thus, if you purchase a firearm in Kalifornia today (01/14/2002 at 2:32pm), you can pick it up (legally) on 01/24/2002 at 2:33pm. Every store is different and your mileage may vary.

--Mark

From the Kalifornia AG web page:
http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/pubfaqs.htm#27

How is the waiting period for firearm purchases calculated?
The waiting period for the purchase or transfer of a firearm is ten (10) 24-hour periods from the date and time of the submission of the DROS information to the DOJ.

[jaydee]

What pisses me off most, is that they can run the check in less than 5 minutes, and especially, if you just picked up a gun that day, that you purchased 10 days ago, and they are still making you wait another 10 days for another one.

If anything disqualified you, then it would be illegal for you to take possession of the first one.

The so-called cooling off period is actually a penalty.

I was surpised that MO. had the same wait, although it's probably only on Handgun, and does not include Longguns and Shotguns like they do here.

PA, yeah, yeah, I know all about it. A number of other states are the same way.

They do provide that people with CCW's are exempt on the wait, just be nice if they did the same for people with the new Handgun license they are bringing out

[MADman]

Actually, In Kalifornia, CCW holders are NOT exempt from the wait. Neither are LEOs UNLESS they are purchasing a weapon for duty use (must be purchased with a letter from the dept. head).

Another thing that is rediculous, is the 30 day wait for handguns. You can only DROS one every 31 days. 30 days must elapse between each one.

In Nevada, Oregon and Arizona, they use NICS, and unless the system is down, you can usually walk out with your purchase in under a half hour.

--Mark

[bucksnuffer]

I love Indiana.......Same day service

[hankhan]

Here in Idaho - for a handgun from a dealer you show them your "shall issue" CCW license and you leave with the gun - I've never bought a long gun from a dealer so I'm not sure what happens here. I bought a long gun from a dealer in Oregon and he called it in to NICS and I left with the gun - took about 10 minutes. I've never been charged money to do any of this.

[SRF37]

Backsnuffer . . . I just went to the Ft. Wayne Gun Show while visiting my daughter in Indiana. It sure looked easy - and civilized - to acquire most firearms. My envy was particularly green since I'm in the middle of the endless waiting period for another purchase permit in N.J. There were many goodies I would have liked to buy. Unfortunately, Indiana law only allows sales to people resident in contiguous states. Now if I can only figure out how to move Ohio and Pennsylvania out of the way.

[KAS]

One of my professor at college used to do the background checks for the sheriff's department he worked for in Mississippi. He said it took thirty seconds to do the background check maybe a minute if the network was slow and then a few hours to get the sheriff to sign them. The sheriff was one of several who sued the federal government over them requiring local law enforcement to do the checks and that particular part of the law was declared unconstitutional when the suit reached the U.S. Supreme Court.

[armabill]

Get a bucket and put some New Jersey dirt in it and go to the state of your choice with it. Now it is contiguous. Kidding aside, yeah it sucks big time. You should be able to get one anywhere!

[Merlin7878]

To tell ya what to me is more annoying than the waiting period is this...

Here in Ny... not only do you have to deal with the waiting period, but on top of it... gun shows are even worse (less you are from the "hosting county").

I went 20 mins into another county which regularly hosts gun shows. Those who were from the county where the show was being "put on" could walk in, buy a gun, go to the NICS counter show them your permit and receive an ammendment for the new gun and walk out with it the same day (had "officials on premisis" to approve on the spot).

Those of us, unfortunately from surrounding counties would have to do this: buy the gun, go home to resident county, file for an ammendment, wait the 10 days for it to be processed, and then either drive to the dealer's shop (1 hr + usually) or have it shipped to a local FFL (thus increasing the cost). I remember the cost involved to have my $295 gun that I bargained with the dealer for would've in the end cost me $340 . A lot of extra hoops to jump through if you ask me for no real reason.

You'd think being a state-wide permit (excluding NYC of course) you would be able to add ammendments in certain instances, out-of-resident-county, gun shows for example. I've basically given up going to gun shows to purchase a gun, unless it's a great bargain (but those are few and far between esp. nowadays).

[Maclean3]

Glad I live in TN. With NICS it's usually taken care of in less than 30 minutes - paperwork included!

Before NICS I have to wait an average of three weeks. There was a decent, although slightly expensive, gun shop in the town where I worked. This was in the city adjacent to where I lived. Buying a handgun here meant the paperwork would be sent to the hometown Sheriff via US Mail. The Sheriff would run the background check, when he fealt damned good and ready, then mail the results BACK to said gun shop again via US Mail. Approval was usually through time lapse default in the end as any rejection had to occur within 10 to 21 days (I forget which).

Said Sheriff was later found to be in DEEP doo-doo as he had forced a Deputy to dispose of evidence that would've convicted his daughter of serious drug related charges. Small towns ain't ALWAYS a great place to live. The local city PD on the other hand is generally top notch and a great bunch of guys.

There was a large uproar from the gun crowd when NICS went into effect here and I never understood why. If anything, it ended the ridiculous 3 week wait we'd been dealing with.

Mac

[BOP222]

Just to throw in my 2 cents. Years ago while living in NY (not the city), took me forever to get a permit just to purchase a gun. Take the permit with all the info from the dealer to the court house so they can type all the info on the permit. Permits there are gun specific, better have it listed on the permit.
Take the permit back to the dealer, he compares the info and lo and behold, you have it. Only for
possession in the home, of course. Job transfer to SD. First visit to the local sheriff's office inquiring about a concealed carry permit. (Remember, I'm still in the NY frame of mind and the hassle for gun owners). "Yes sir, fill out this form, we'll send it in for you, this is your temp permit until the permanent one arrives, $15 please". Out the door I walk with a concealed carry permit, no problem whatsover. Up until the Brady thing, that concealed permit was all you needed to walk out the door of any dealer, gun
show, etc. Talk about opposite ends of the spectrum!

[hankhan]

Permit to own a gun? Permit to purchase a gun? Amendment added to your permit - but not if you're from another county? Sheriff signing off on your buying a gun? One handgun purchase every 30 days? 10 days before you can pick up your legally purchased gun? What is going on here?

Hey folks - I don't want to alarm anyone but the 2nd Amendment states you have the RIGHT to keep and bear arms. These posts describing the crap you have to wade thru to exercise that RIGHT read like you're in another country without a Bill of Rights.

[baldmountain50]

I was in a gun shop here in Ohio today to purchase a Henry 22 Mag lever action. When they ran the instant background check, they told me it didn't go through and I had to wait the ten days. I have purchased many guns in the past and have never had a problem. What's the deal?

[Valkman]

In Nevada, Oregon and Arizona, they use NICS, and unless the system is down, you can usually walk out with your purchase in under a half hour.

With a CCW there is no NICS check here! Do the paperwork, pay, leave with gun. It's even nicer after living in CA most of my life.

[UNIT 6639]

Originally Posted by DHMeieio

Not a stupid question--it's a stupid law. You gotta wait 10 consecutive 24-hour periods. Thank God it isn't "business days."

What he said, its cash and carry in Va and WV. Thats about the only gun law they have in these parts that I really love!

[JGV]

I understand the logic of a waiting period, but it frustrates me to no end knowing that I am a law abiding person and I have to jump through alot of hoops to buy a handgun.

I went to a gun show in Maryland where I live and bought a shotgun. The shotgun I could walk right out with (along with the four boxes of ammo),but buying my pistol its fill out this form,watch this video,do you have a record a domestic violence....man just give me the gun. And a CCW ? you can forget that unless your in law enforcement...even though I did get mine, it came with restrictions off duty carry only , not in a court house,not on school property. I just chalk it up to liberalism. The liberals are making me safe by imposing these laws..I mean look at the crime rate in Baltimore,D.C, and New York. Yeah I feel so much safer.

[MSgt Dotson]

Originally Posted by AC's & 45's

YES it is a stupid law. The criminals don't wait 10 before stealing their weapons or buying out of the " trunk of a car".

It was Kalifornia's "We must do *something*, even if useless!!!" solution to the Stockton schoolyard shooting back in 1987-1988, when that Patrick Purdy a$$wipe mowed down 22 people or so with a semi-auto AK clone...

Kalifornia decided a waiting period on rifles would *surely* have magically prevented the tragedy, despite the littel known and embarassing fact that Patrick Purdy also had a Taurus pistol with him at the time of the shooting, picked up the day before the shooting after passing all of Kalifornia's "waiting" periods...

Flawless reasoning on their parts...!

[hipowr]

Originally Posted by baldmountain50

I was in a gun shop here in Ohio today to purchase a Henry 22 Mag lever action. When they ran the instant background check, they told me it didn't go through and I had to wait the ten days. I have purchased many guns in the past and have never had a problem. What's the deal?

It could be any number of things. Assuming that there are no old records that you had that may have been entered into the criminal history database since you last bought a firearm, a couple more likely ones come to mind. Federal criminal history data is pretty much indexed from Name, DOB, and SSN if available. Likely someone with the same or similar name, dob, or falsely used your SSN as a fake by coincidence was convicted of a disqualifying crime. Now, when they run you, they have to look into it deeply enough to confirm that you are not the similar person which would be a delayed response. I don't believe you would get a deny response unless they knew you were the disqualified person.

As much as I dislike my "unique" name, I have never had an issue on an instant check. There is nobody out there with my name that I have ever met, so I sail through every time.

later,
AJ