Remington 700 w/Mil-Spec Barrel...

[rsracer65]

Hey guys, what are your thoughts on this gun?

http://www.snipercountrypx.com/store...idProduct=2893

I want a 308 for some longer range comps....a few of my friends that shoot are recommending the above gun....

Anybody have any thoughts?

Thanks in advance

Adam

[Vincent Vega]

Check out the Rem 700 PSS model. They have a bull barrel and Kevlar stock that is pretty strong. If you are doing just target shooting, I don't see why a Rem 700 ADL wouldn't work. They are considerably less and come with iron sights. The money you save can be put toward modifications you want.

[Karsten]

Just my personal opinion but it has been a long time since I have seen a Mil Spec Stainless Steel Barrel.....I take that back, I have Never seen a Mil-Spec SS Barrel

R5 ussually goes hand in hand with Mike Rock barrels and there has been a lot of this is a surplus R5 barrel here and there scam too sell you something that isn't if you know what I mean.

SS barrel will wear out sooner than a normal barrel, especially with hot round like 300 Win Mag and better. So 168-175 .308 rounds loaded up are most likely gonna add some wear to the SS over the Chrome Steel of say a standard Rem 700, Savage 10FP, FNH PBR Or Win Stealth.

Just my opinion but I wouldn't go SS for a Precission Rifle.

Karsten

[DougL3]

That Rem 700 Mil-spec is a factory gun that is hard as hell to get. The barrel is a Mike Rock 5R stainless barrel. The SAME barrel that goes on the M24 for the Army and the M40Ax for the USMC. The Army and the Corps use stainless 5R barrels since it's the only way they come. This gun has its 5R barrel in the standard PSS contour instead of the #7 contour the M24 and M40 use.

It is no scam, it's a factory gun....I know because I've ordered several direct from Remington for a local LE agency.

As to stainless steel wearing out faster, I think thats all personal preference. I know I have almost 2300 rounds thru my Douglas XX stainless-barreled M14 and it hasn't started to open up yet. I'm shooting 175SMK over 40.5g of IMR 4895 and thats ALL thats ever been thru it. My stainless 300WM has over 1200rds thru it and it still has yet to open up too. Guess it's all in how you take care of your stuff!

If you buy the 700 Mil-spec it will have more resale value down the road than a regular PSS. Is it any more accurate than the normal PSS??? Probably not, but it is cool and some people swear by the Rock 5R barrels.

Anymore questions or comments?

[rsracer65]

Excellent info guys! Thanks for the responses and the heads up....I am still debating on what to get, I am going to shoot my friends 700 with the mil-spec barrel this weekend so we will see what I think of it! I can't beleive how many choices there are out there for this kind of rifle!

Thanks again,

Adam

[LToled]

I was in your place a while ago. I eventually bought a 5R and did not regret it. It's extremely accurate and cleans easily. Here is what I dug up during my research. Hopefully, it will help.

Very limited production & hard to find. These are basically a Remington 700 Sendero Stainless with the addition of a milspec US Army M24 sniper rifle heavy barrel. Remington had about 300 extra M24 barrels from a military production run & they installed these barrels on these limited edition rifles. This is the only way to get a factory 5R rifle unless you want to pay $3K + for a factory M24. These original ones are very hard to find.

Remington is re-making them it seems. Some say it might be marketing ploy to sell them off. Some say that these were extras off another production run. The waters are kinda muddy on what the real story is. But from personal experience, mine shoots extremely tight. I like the 24 inch barrel over the PSS 26" and the LTR 20". It's easy to clean and it's got that 'cool' factor going for it.

I did an internet search on the M24 & found the following info on the 5R rifle barrel: "The barrel of the M24 is unique. Remington hammerforges the barrel with 416R stainless steel, the bull barrel is 24" long, and its width tapers down from 1.2" at the breech to approximately .9". The 5-R rifling was designed by Boots Overmeyer, is angled at 110 degrees, has 5 grooves, and a right hand twist of 1" in 11.2". There are a number of advantages for the military marksman with this barrel. The angled rifling leads to less bullet deformation as the rifling swages it. Some believe that this results in a more even pressure curve as the bullet accelerates through the barrel. As well, once the barrel is broken in, the rifling lends itself to reduced metallic fouling; a longer, more accurate lifespan because of reduced wear effect on rifling cross-section, and higher bullet velocities. The downsides to 5-R rifling are the greater than normal metallic fouling of the bore during the break-in period, and greater difficulty in barrel production, resulting in a more expensive barrel.

After final shoot-off between Steyr SSG rifle and Remington model 700BDL, the latest was standartized in 1987 as a US Army's Model 24 sniper rifle. The M24 has a 24" (609mm) stainless-steel barrel, with a bore specially cut for the M118 7.62mm NATO Match Grade ammunition. The barrel was rifled with a special Remington- developed rifling, called 5R. It had five lands and grooves that make one turn in 11 1/4" (286mm), and the edges of the lands were sligthly rounded to reduce friction.

I would also recommend looking at www.snipershide.com for alot more info on this. It's a great site and good guys over there. I learned alot from the forums and the Search function. Here was a recently discussion about the 5R:
5R discussion link

[dnancarr]

If anything, a stainless barrel should keep its leade from burning out quite as fast as a chrome moly barrel. The additional chromium in the alloy should resist erosion a bit better.

I've not had any experience with this 5R rifling, although it seems to be the bees knees for competition. If you don't mind a chrome moly barrel and are looking to save a bit, I would recommend a Remington VS. It's about $200 cheaper. I have two of them-one for my oldest son and my own. Either one with proper loads will shoot a 5-shot half minute group if you are up to it.

The stock is going to make the difference. The VS uses the H&S aluminum block bedding setup and it works well. I understand the McMillan stock is a very class act, but the PS model and my shooting hand to not fit very well across the pistol grip. My VS has over 3000 rounds thru it, and still shoots very well.

[DstnguishdR1586]

The idea that a SS barrel will wear out quicker is something new to me. Most of the Palma/LR rifles I have ever seen have seen SS. You would think that if they wore out quicker that the guys that shoot a match damn near every weekend would be using something other than SS. Just my 2 cents worth. The rifle you posted a link to is a nice rifle, of course the 700 PSS is a nice gun too....or if you want a true target rifle you could opt for the Rem 40X. Whatever you choose just make sure to invest in good optics and definately get into reloading, you'll be able to make a rifle do things that factory ammo never could.

[Trumpet]

Originally Posted by DougL3

That Rem 700 Mil-spec is a factory gun that is hard as hell to get. The barrel is a Mike Rock 5R stainless barrel. The SAME barrel that goes on the M24 for the Army and the M40Ax for the USMC.

Anymore questions or comments?

The Remington 700 "Milspec" does NOT have a Mike Rock barrel. Yes, it is a 5R style, but it is NOT a Rock. Mike made the barrels for the first several batches of M24's but Remington has since tooled up and are now making them "in house"(for the "Mil Spec" rifles as well as the Army contract M24s). The "M40Ax" (never heard of the "x" variant) doesn't use 5R profile. The USMC has always used a Gary Schneider barrel on the M40 series.

I've got a Mike Rock 5R on my GA Precision SCLE and it's amazing.



Rich

[Karsten]

Originally Posted by Trumpet

The Remington 700 "Milspec" does NOT have a Mike Rock barrel. Yes, it is a 5R style, but it is NOT a Rock. Mike made the barrels for the first several batches of M24's but Remington has since tooled up and are now making them "in house"(for the "Mil Spec" rifles as well as the Army contract M24s). The "M40Ax" (never heard of the "x" variant) doesn't use 5R profile. The USMC has always used a Gary Schneider barrel on the M40 series.

I've got a Mike Rock 5R on my GA Precision SCLE and it's amazing.



Rich

This Marketing ploy using 5R barrels and not being specific may have been the same barrels (or may not) that were sold as Surplus Mike Rock 5R barrels.

As for barrel life please take note I mentioned 300 Win Mag and the Hotter rounds. Load up a 175 in .308 too be a max load specs and who knows.

There are also a variety of SS Materials with some being more fit for the intended use and some lacking greatly.

http://yarchive.net/gun/barrel/barrel_steel.html

http://www.border-barrels.com/articles/bmart.htm

Now with Remington making the 5R barrels in house I would be even more apprehensive as lately Remington isn't getting the greatest reviews over Q/C Issues. Barrels also seem too be one of their weaker links in the 700 line over all from recent buyers.

Just my opinion, use the search function and do some research locally as well.

Karsten

[zzorro1]

In summary:

(Taken from qoutes of a post by site owner "Mel" from SniperCentral)
(http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/...4290&view=next)

Mil-Spec's are - M24 barrels that did not pass spec, instead of throwing away, remmy decided to put them on VS rifles and call them "mil-spec'. In order to fit in VS/P stocks, they recontour them to varmint dimensions. They tend to shoot okay.

I would like to clarify on those mil-spec barrels. Yes, they did not pass tolerences for M24's (also made by remington) but that in no way means they are bad. Most of those specs are purely numbers and making sure they are within dimension. They are NOT rejected because they are not shooters. In fact, the barrels are never even mounted when rejected, they punch the barrels, guage, and then its a pass or fail. Do I think the 5R rifles are a sales gimic? Yes, I do. They should sell at no higher price than a VS, but they do because people want "mil-spec". You know, the same barrel thats on the M24. But again, this does not mean they are bad rifles.

[chuck duck]

Let me as a remington employee, and owner of a R5 clarify a few things for you. I know for fact that the barrels on the R5 are not rock's barrels the first few for the military contract M24 sniper rifles were, until we could tool up or equipment to produce our own R5 rifling. The barrels are not military barrels that did not pass our quality checks either, any barrels that we produce that are not exactly to tolerance are imediatly marked with red dykum and sent to the barrel bender. The gun however is a limited production non-cataloged 1/4MOA firearm. And unless you want to pay for a M24 about $3.5K and get a gun that shoots just the same as a R5. Now for all of you who think that the R5 is just another factory produced gun with a marketing plan you got another thing coming, now the R5 is not a custom gun but we put alot of pride and tradition into each firearm we produce and the R5 is no exception in the least. I have time and again at local matches put them $5k customs to shame, and I garantee you that the difference between a 700 sendaro and an R5 is quite astounding. Or you could just come up to Illion and find out the hard way lol. So in closing boys and girls the R5 is a very exceptional weapon that i would put up against any custom out there.

P.S. you will not wear out the SS any faster that normal carbon steel.

[40dcoe]

Chuck, you are about 3 years late.

Joe

[CactusCapt]

Still, good info. Better late than never...

[40dcoe]

Originally Posted by CactusCapt

Still, good info. Better late than never...

One should start a new thread, and not resurrect one that has been
dead for three years.

Joe

[EvenStephen]

I love mine.

[Agent Clark]

My pal has one and we made shots at about 1080 yards with it. It kicks ass, and he did all his homework for reloading and scope setup. He dials it, and we just look through the glass and pull.

[Kash300]

Originally Posted by Agent Clark

My pal has one and we made shots at about 1080 yards with it. It kicks ass, and he did all his homework for reloading and scope setup. He dials it, and we just look through the glass and pull.

I just bought one (5R) in 300 win mag 26" barrel. What caliber, reload, and scope are you using to make these 1000 yard shots?

[kluxman45]

Originally Posted by DougL3

That Rem 700 Mil-spec is a factory gun that is hard as hell to get. The barrel is a Mike Rock 5R stainless barrel. The SAME barrel that goes on the M24 for the Army and the M40Ax for the USMC. The Army and the Corps use stainless 5R barrels since it's the only way they come. This gun has its 5R barrel in the standard PSS contour instead of the #7 contour the M24 and M40 use.

It is no scam, it's a factory gun....I know because I've ordered several direct from Remington for a local LE agency.

As to stainless steel wearing out faster, I think thats all personal preference. I know I have almost 2300 rounds thru my Douglas XX stainless-barreled M14 and it hasn't started to open up yet. I'm shooting 175SMK over 40.5g of IMR 4895 and thats ALL thats ever been thru it. My stainless 300WM has over 1200rds thru it and it still has yet to open up too. Guess it's all in how you take care of your stuff!

If you buy the 700 Mil-spec it will have more resale value down the road than a regular PSS. Is it any more accurate than the normal PSS??? Probably not, but it is cool and some people swear by the Rock 5R barrels.

Anymore questions or comments?

you ever shoot a cooper out of the box? i think you ll re think on these 5r rifles

[Ted Yost]

This topic is FIVE years old. Doubtful any of the OP's are still on the fence.

Please don't resurrect ancient posts.