Recently I purchased a new Kimber TLE RL II TFS 9mm to reignite my love for the 1911 platform. While waiting for the paperwork for the accessory that makes her go "pop" in the night, I decided to purchase some additional magazines. After reading countless threads on various forums, I decided to go after the Wilson Combat 10rd magazine. After my first trip to the range this weekend, I have come to doubt my decision.
1st Range trip
-Rounds fired in Kimber mag - No failures
-Rotated through the 3 additional WC mags and 1-2 FTE per mag
-Total 100rds fired
2nd Range trip
-Rounds fired in Kimber mag - No failures
-Rotated through the 3 additional WC mags and 1-2 FTE per mag
-Total 50rds fired
Range ammo
LAXAMMO 9mm reloads with no prior issues in any of my other pistols.
Are there any further steps that I would need to take to determine what is causing this failure?
You might try running a few more hundred rounds thru the Kimber mag prior to the WC's. Getting closer to break in might help it out. And run it wet if you haven't.
I will assume that you are following all of the Kimber break-in instructions (e.g., ammo, lubrication, recoil spring weight, etc.).
Since you can 'toggle' the issue by switching magazines, I will focus on the Wilson magazines.
Wilson 9mm ETM magazines use strong springs "to ensure proper round position and last round lock back". This means that the magazines need to be 'broken-in' before use. To do this, "load and unload your magazines a few times prior to first use and keep them loaded for a few days".
If you do not 'set' the magazine spring, it can "exert undue pressure on the slide when cycling" (i.e., potentially slow the slide down, and prevent it from moving rearward enough to eject properly).
I've been using Wilson mags for almost 20 years so I'm definitely a fanboy. That said, if the Kimber mags are reliable then I'd probably just stick with those.
I had just the opposite experience - my Kimber magazines had many FTF problems and switching to Wilson solved it. That said I think that what has been said about breaking in the magazines and pistol will solve the problem. I have found Wilson magazines to be top notch across several 1911 makers.
Umm, I see an empty case wedged between the slide and the barrel. Is this a picture of the actual malfunction? If it is then you don't have a problem with the magazines. You most probably have a problem with the extractor or maybe the ejector.
Which magazine is in Photo 2? There would seem to be more problems here than just a bad magazine, and to keep shooting until the gun "breaks in" or "using more lube" is NOT going to solve any of them.
I have a few follow up points since my last post. I was able to make it to the range for a few minutes after performing the following from suggestions and following the Kimber instructions.
- Loaded/unloaded the magazines several times and left loaded for a couple days prior to visiting the range.
- Cleaned and lubricated the pistol per the Kimber instructions after the 150rd count.
- Cleaned the magazines
The outcome was that the failures were reduced to 2 failures for 8 magazines ran. The Kimber mag still performed flawlessly. Used the same ammo for this visit.
I plan to change factory ammo and to also test the WC mags in another Kimber to validate functionality.
I have included a couple pictures that show the WC mags loaded/unloaded.
You need to take the slide off and test the extractor tension. It should hold an empty case firmly (completely perpendicular to the breechface). A loaded cartridge should be angled downward VERY slightly (in 9mm still just about perpendicular to breechface).
I would also load one round, eject the mag, and fire with no magazine at least 5 times. If it fails or ejects erratically in 5 tries, it's the gun causing the failure. If it slings them to 4 or 5 o'clock every time it's the mags.
No problem! I'll post a pic of what it should look like tomorrow (today now, I guess) evening when I have access to a camera and the comp again.
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