I see this a lot on this forum. Sellers accept Paypal but say it as "discreet Paypal payment". When I see that stated I get the impression that the seller thinks that if there is any mention of gun in the payment that Paypal will close their account or something. It makes me both :biglaugh: and :scratch: at the same time. So why do people think Paypal cares if you are using it for firearms parts?
As long as it is not an FFL required item they allow you to use their service. If they did not allow firearms parts to be paid via their service then they would not allow companies like EGWGUNS.com to use them as a payment type. I mean EGW's website has GUN in the name. Their name itself also includes the word GUN as that is what the G stands for. Paypal clearly knows that they sell non restricted gun parts.
If they did not allow firearms parts to be paid via their service then they would not allow companies like EGWGUNS.com to use them as a payment type. I mean EGW's website has GUN in the name. Their name itself also includes the word GUN as that is what the G stands for. Paypal clearly knows that they sell non restricted gun parts.
Can't say how EGW has their account listed with PayPal, but Fusion Firearms is listed with PayPal as Fusion Precision Engineering.
PayPal is a bunch of hypocrites. They accept thousands of dollars daily for all the gun related products on Ebay and yet they claim to be anti-gun and will not allow actual firearms to be purchased through PayPal.
I see plenty of sellers stating clearly to pay as a gift or include x% for fees. It is clear that way so that there is no confusion. If that is what these discreet sellers are meaning then they might want to consider the direct approach as others like myself may not take discreet as meaning gift.
Paypal does care about what you use their service for. copied from their website:
For example, using PayPal, you can’t buy or sell:
Any firearm, including rifles, shotguns, and handguns, whether they’re for sport and recreation, collectibles, or curio or relic firearms.
Firearm parts, including but not limited to receivers and frames, silencers, and kits designed to modify guns so that they fire automatically. High capacity magazines, multi-burst trigger activators, and camouflaging firearm containers are other items in this category.
Ammunition, including propellants like gunpowder or blank ammunition; ammunition or cartridge cases; and primers, bullets, or propellant powder designed for any firearm.
Because here in the real world its easier than waiting on a money order and private individuals don't generally accept credit cards. It's worth the fee to have guaranteed funds as a seller and protection as a buyer.
It's so the seller avoids paying the fee for using the service, I personally won't send payments as a gift because there's no way to get your money back if the seller doesn't ship or if the item is damaged or not as described.
Not asking about gift payments. I am asking about the term DISCREET used when saying they will accept payment. I do not buy that all of them are using it a meaning gift. But it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong .
I do agree with you about the gift option though and I too do not tend to buy from those that will only accept that type of payment.
I see this a lot on this forum. Sellers accept Paypal but say it as "discreet Paypal payment". When I see that stated I get the impression that the seller thinks that if there is any mention of gun in the payment that Paypal will close their account or something.
I also find it to mean "gift" or payment for other than goods or services, thus negating the 3% or whatever it is fee for any purchased product or service.
Any company/organization/corporation/group that doesn't accept my rights guaranteed under the constitution does not get my business and my money.
PayPal can go stuff themselves.
I've used paypal via Ebay numerous times to buy grip panels, holsters, and magazines without an issue, and if I am not mistaken, the vendor were clearly selling gun parts and identified themselves as such. There was never an issue.
Most interesting is that, as I understand it, in order to use ebay, you must use paypal for payment. Yet myriad firearms-related parts, products, etc., that are supposedly prohibited by paypal guidelines trade hands every minute.
I don't use paypal, so I do not worry about it. I Pay by money orders ( Buying a gun) or credit card, for ammunition, and pay off the cards at the end of the month. This is just me. Everyone is different.
Scott
I haven't used PayPal since they started the "gift" program. Before that the seller picked up the tab. Now a Money Order costs me 65 cents and I'll wait a few more days rather than spending the 3-4%.
By experience they're less concerned about small parts and magazines than they are about firearms, which they lose their minds over. Usually "discrete" is used with firearms, no fee/gift means the buyer pays the 3.5%(?) that paypal skims off the top, if not using a "gift" option.
There no longer is a gift option. It is now called Family and Friends. Also, if you have the money in your PayPal account, there is no cost to you to use the option.
The problem as noted above, you do not have much recourse if the transaction goes bad when using the F&F option.
Due to fact "Paypal" is vehemently anti-second amendment I won't use them.
Guess I fail to see how anyone that feels strongly "pro-gun" would use them either...
Again guys, this question is about the sellers on this forum that use the term discreet. Not about Paypal's beliefs or rules.
What are the sellers meaning by discreet?
Many in this thread are saying that they are referring to gift payment type. I never considered that but I have gone and looked thru many FS threads that state gift and am seeing enough evidence to agree with that.
I assumed it meant do not mention in the payment description anything that could be construed by PayPal that the money was used to purchase a firearm which violates the terms of service.
I assumed it meant do not mention in the payment description anything that could be construed by PayPal that the money was used to purchase a firearm which violates the terms of service.
I have always taken it to mean, DO NOT LIST THE ITEM YOU ARE PURCHASING, As in it's a gun from gunbroker auction # blah blah. Paypal CAN AND WILL freeze your funds and you will have to fight to get your money from them, if ever.
Personally I am bout ready to close my account, as I am tired of them and their anti gun bull****.
if they were smart, they would allow firearms purchases and related items as they would be making a **** ton more money than they do now.
I too have always thought they meant don't mention that it is a gun part which is why I laugh and scratch my head.
I buy gun parts all the time using paypal with the parts clearly listed in the description. Barrels, gas blocks, magazines, mag catch, muzzle breaks etc etc. You can use paypal to pay for a 1911 slide if you want to. It can say the caliber and the model of the gun and even the words pistol, gun, rifle in the description. All the AR parts that I have used Paypal for state 223 or 556 or AR or all three for that matter.
Here is an example from one of my Paypal payments. This is from the details page on the Paypal website.
Here is an example of EGW's name on Paypal clearly showing the word GUN in it.
I have always taken it to mean, DO NOT LIST THE ITEM YOU ARE PURCHASING, As in it's a gun from gunbroker auction # blah blah. Paypal CAN AND WILL freeze your funds and you will have to fight to get your money from them, if ever.
Personally I am bout ready to close my account, as I am tired of them and their anti gun bull****.
if they were smart, they would allow firearms purchases and related items as they would be making a **** ton more money than they do now.
Assuming it's an attempt to dodge fees for a purchase, discrete Paypal means don't buy from this guy, to me at least. If it just means don't mention gun stuff because I don't trust Paypal to change their terms again someday and freeze the cash of mine they are holding, then to me it means common sense in that case.
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