Hammerless pocket revolver suggestions needed.

[Steel76]

What options are out there for a pocket revolver 5 or 6 shot .38,that is not a ruger lcr or a S&W and or copy of the S&W.Automatics need not apply.

Need the company to stand behind it.ABle to repair quickly if needed and be confident that it is fully repaired.
Needs to come to full lockup before hammer falls(able to stage I guess).
Under $500.
Not stainless.
Reliable.
Good reputation.
+P Rated.
New.If used,must be sound mechanically and like new from a company that will repair if not the origional owner.
Hammerless or covered Hammer.
Snubnose.
Light.

I think that covers it until he mentions more.

My friend is the toughest to firearm shop for.Had a new S&W revolver kaboom on him due to a manufacturing error back in the day.He still cant shake it.Everytime he pulls the trigger he is afraid of it kabooming.I am slowly working that out of him,and making progress.

But the time has come.He was almost robbed twice and almost kidnapped and ? once in the last few months.I have hammered him hard over the last few years about awareness and since he would not carry,bluffing.It has payed off so far.I have him carrying again but not all the time because of weight and location.

I need to find him a pocket revolver bad.He will not trust an auto,and working the slide is hard for him at his age(he can barely rack the stock 1911 with the hammer already back).But if the pistol doesnt meet his criteria he will not carry it or even accept it.Price means alot to him since I will be paying it.If under 300 he will accept it and carry it without me asking or begging(maybe).300-500 and I will be begging quite a while.Above that and I will be stuck with it with no chance of him neither touching it or shooting it.Found that out when I bought him the exact rifle he had been wanting for his birthday at a semi great deal.He fealt I shouldnt have spent that much on him and 2 days later gave it back.I'm still not accepting it back,but you see now why It must meet his criteria.He will barely shoot it with me and will not call it his.

For reference,the lcr snags coming out of his pocket.The polymer bodyguard doesnt.So can you help me find him a pistol.The money doesnt matter to me as long as he can use it and be safe.It's him that it matters to and its driving me crazy.He is just set in his ways,i guess.

[Zeeked]

That's a tough set of rules to play by for gun buying! Some may turn their nose up at them but maybe check out Charter Arms. Can't recall their warranty but are 100% made in the states by Americans. Good luck with the shopping!

[jupiter7]

Or a used colt. Options exhausted at that point. Forget Rossi/Taurus. He already ruled out the best two makers of snub nosed 38's. He is set up for disappointment.

[BenR]

Originally Posted by jupiter7

He already ruled out the best two makers of snub nosed 38's. He is set up for disappointment.

Yep.

[Sullybr549]

Check out Taurus... This one'sa suggested retail is $477

PROTECTOR MODEL 651 .357 MAG. REVOLVER IN BLUE STEEL

[La Grenouille]

Originally Posted by Steel76

that is not a ruger lcr or a S&W and or copy of the S&W.

Well there goes the top two choices

Need the company to stand behind it.ABle to repair quickly if needed and be confident that it is fully repaired.
Needs to come to full lockup before hammer falls(able to stage I guess).
Under $500.
Not stainless.
Reliable.
Good reputation. And there go the other two options
+P Rated.
New.If used,must be sound mechanically and like new from a company that will repair if not the origional owner.
Hammerless or covered Hammer.
Technically no revolver is "hammerless" - it wouldn't work without a hammer! And that rules out any single-action options that were left...
Snubnose.
Light.

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[BenR]

I really suggest looking into a Ruger SP101, 2.25-inch barrel, DAO. It doesn't have a shrouded hammer, but the hammer is spurless. I carry one in my front pocket in a DeSantis Nemesis holster. Great setup. The gun is built like a small tank, and staging the trigger is no problem, if that's your pleasure. It shoots hot .357 Mag with relative ease, though the smaller frame size can make the recoil feel a bit stout to some. That said, 25 oz. of steel really helps soak up some of the recoil. The .38 Special is a popcorn fart through this revolver. I kept the stock grips on mine, though a good set of Hogues or Pachmayr Compacs will increase comfort noticeably if you want to work with full-house .357 Mag loads. You can also replace the factory front sight with Meprolight tritium.

[Steel76]

I had him talked into the LCR and had it at the counter to buy it twice.First time he decided he didnt want the polymer.Second time he shoved it in his pocket even after the shop told him no.It snagged and it took him 5 seconds to get out,so atm it is outa the question.Had him convinced on the polymer bodyguard since it was +p rated and fully locked up the cylinder before the hammer fell.So less chance of a kaboom.Found only one at a LGS and it was a special one with the 380 as a set.He shoved it in his pocket and whipped it right out.LGS wouldnt break up the set.Tryed finding one to order to no avail.Visited my distant uncle who is a S&W guy and we shot some.Convinced friend to shoot one of the smiths and he got so scared of it that the bullet hit 2 feet in front of his feet.So I will not force the S&W on him.

Sp101 would be too heavy for him.
Charter 13811 looks like the ticket but seems sold out everywhere.Not even one on gunBroker that I can find.
357 mag pistol too bulky for him.
Have yet to see a hammerless colt revolver.Had to pass on a colt detective special for a "as if stolen" deal because of the hammer.

I've been ripping my hair out for a while and still havent hit gold yet.

[P7]

"Had a new S&W revolver kaboom on him due to a manufacturing error back in the day.He still cant shake it.Everytime he pulls the trigger he is afraid of it kabooming.I am slowly working that out of him,and making progress."



Have your friend watch this clip from the "The World According to Garp" Afters he watches it, take him to buy a Smith.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBSAeqdcZAM

[Steel76]

That was funny!!Never seen that movie.May just have to buy him a plane.Leaves a bigger hole!!

[BenR]

No offense intended, but it's pretty clear that your friend really does not want to own a gun.

[scubadad]

Originally Posted by BenR

No offense intended, but it's pretty clear that your friend really does not want to own a gun.

+10 on this. if he is finding fault with everything you show him maybe that is his way of trying not to hurt your feelings. you are indeed a good friend and have gone above and beyond to help him out. but it is like the old saying "you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink"

the other thing to consider is if he has a fear of kaboom will he be able to pull the trigger even after you find the "perfect" gun?? i would be sad if the bad guy was able to disarm him and use his own gun against him.

last point to consider. when he was trying guns out and putting them in his pocket was he using a pocket holster. if he is fumbling in his pocket and trying to draw you can count on ay gun snagging. try the pocket holster with any gun and the proper alignment should reduce the snag.

good luck in your search. i hope he knows how much you care.

[themaninblack]

Originally Posted by BenR

No offense intended, but it's pretty clear that your friend really does not want to own a gun.

+1

Otherwise I suggest painting Ruger on the side of a 642

[Steel76]

He owns a revolver already.Ruger blackhawk 45colt.No offense taken and I would agree with you except we can drop the subject of guns for a week or 2 and he will bring it up out of the blue.We then head out to find nothing in stock,or every LGS has the exact stock consisting of all S&W's and the ruger lcr.He even went himself yesterday and signed up for the ccw class and was told no eta on when it would be.I confirmed it.

I have most of the fear worked out with his ruger.He is only shooting a couple inches low at 35 feet as apposed to shooting into the ground.I handed him the 1911 and told him it was ready when you deactivate the safety.It was an empty chamber and when he pulled the trigger the end of the barrel couldve drawn a U forward in the air.That moment changed it all and I started fixing him.Even filmed it once and showed him.He is consistant now but just a couple inches low.

[Caminoman]

I like the Ruger SP too, but in my opinion its a little heavy for the pocket. I tried my 640 in the front pocket today, and it sags so much it prints pretty badly.

The best choice is one that is eliminated right up front, a concealed hammer J-frame airweight.

It sounds like the problem your friend has would be present in any gun chosen.

[Capt. Methane]

http://www.charterfirearms.com/produ...over_13811.asp

I don't know about "staging" but on page 2 of the "about us" they offer a lifetime warranty.

Good luck with your friend...any chance you could get him to go with IWB carry instead of in the pocket?