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[master gunner]

Originally Posted by Aaron45

No, it's not gun owners. It's an enormously powerful special interest lobby that is able to to bully elected officials who should otherwise be answering to their constituents and the Constitution. This has nothing whatsoever to do with gun rights; this is the NRA seizing an opportunity to destroy the ATF and the office of the Attorney General. They've even invented an idiotic, crackpot conspiracy theory: that the gun walking operation, which was started under Bush in 2006, was somehow a plan by Obama to cause border violence to drum up support for domestic gun control. Special interest lobbies have their place and enjoy 1st Amendment protections. But aside from the fact that they support a cause I happen to agree with, the fact that any special interest lobby is giving marching orders to a house majority is unsettling and directly corrosive to the functioning of a representative democracy.

Yeah but it's my enormously powerful special interest lobby that is able to to bully elected officials who should otherwise be answering to their constituents and the Constitution.

[Luke Cage]

Originally Posted by LW McVay

You must have missed the other DOJ types and ATF types sitting in front of Congress.

Yes I did miss the questioning of those invovled in the operation by congress. Especially the ones from Arizona that initiated and ran the operation.

[Riverpigusmc]

Originally Posted by Aaron45

No, it's not gun owners. It's an enormously powerful special interest lobby that is able to to bully elected officials who should otherwise be answering to their constituents and the Constitution. This has nothing whatsoever to do with gun rights; this is the NRA seizing an opportunity to destroy the ATF and the office of the Attorney General. They've even invented an idiotic, crackpot conspiracy theory: that the gun walking operation, which was started under Bush in 2006, was somehow a plan by Obama to cause border violence to drum up support for domestic gun control. Special interest lobbies have their place and enjoy 1st Amendment protections. But aside from the fact that they support a cause I happen to agree with, the fact that any special interest lobby is giving marching orders to a house majority is unsettling and directly corrosive to the functioning of a representative democracy.

The plan under Bush had GPS devices in the guns, had the full cooperation of the Mexican government and Mexican LE, and was stopped when the GPS devices were removed..your assertion on that point is false. The ATF NEEDS to be reigned in and dismantled, should have been after Waco, another illegal travesty these stooges let loose on our citizens under false pretenses. When civilian law enforcement tries to play military, that's the predictable result. Holder was part of that goat rope, too. Holder in 1995 is on video stating "we need to brainwash the people's thinking on guns like we did on smoking". Is defending Holder just because he a democrat really that important that you tend to overlook historical facts?

[Ditto_95]

Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc

The plan under Bush had GPS devices in the guns, had the full cooperation of the Mexican government and Mexican LE, and was stopped when the GPS devices were removed..your assertion on that point is false. The ATF NEEDS to be reigned in and dismantled, should have been after Waco, another illegal travesty these stooges let loose on our citizens under false pretenses. When civilian law enforcement tries to play military, that's the predictable result. Holder was part of that goat rope, too. Holder in 1995 is on video stating "we need to brainwash the people's thinking on guns like we did on smoking". Is defending Holder just because he a democrat really that important that you tend to overlook historical facts?

Don't bother, it is just another troll.

[markbob45]

Have you ever noticed that when the republicans have a bum or scoundrel in their midsts they are usually quick to denounce and force them out. The dems on the other hand will defend the lowest form of pond scum to the death. Always blaming the other side and using vile terms like racism and hatred in their defense. The republicans are far from perfect and do not have a corner on the market of sainthood but show far higher moral, ethical and legal standards than the dems.

[montegomx70]

Originally Posted by markbob45

Have you ever noticed that when the republicans have a bum or scoundrel in their midsts they are usually quick to denounce and force them out. The dems on the other hand will defend the lowest form of pond scum to the death. Always blaming the other side and using vile terms like racism and hatred in their defense. The republicans are far from perfect and do not have a corner on the market of sainthood but show far higher moral, ethical and legal standards than the dems.

what he said.

[1toughdog]

Originally Posted by markbob45

You are wrong in so many ways. You must be either kidding or trying to anger people
-F&F did not start under Bush.
-F&F is a plan to undermine the 2A
-The members of Congress are answering to their constituents. NRA members are voters and the polititians know it.
-If the ATF and the attorney general were working in the bet interest of the Constitution and the citizens of the US the NRA would support them.
-Marching orders I don't think so. Telling a polititian the are going to be opposed is totally legit.
Get a clue.

+1 Other posts on other threads; just trolling. Just saying, proof is proof, not an attack just the same rhetoric, post after post. (ref # 414 and 419)

[CRT2]

And Arizona permits "Straw Purchases" - I always thought this was a Federal issue. This article blames Arizona for F&F - wouldn't have been needed if Arizona had stricter laws. WOW!! http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/trending...213803220.html

[razortreadway]

I think that if it were even possible for the government to take our guns (which it isn't), the fact that they were stupid enough to GIVE guns to drug cartel's will make it hard on them to limit our gun while they can't keep track of they're own


Take it as you want, it's not as if we didn't already realize our government's shear stupidity and lack of reason.

[SDMC530]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/02/politi...html?hpt=hp_t2

[GunBugBit]

Originally Posted by markbob45

Have you ever noticed that when the republicans have a bum or scoundrel in their midsts they are usually quick to denounce and force them out.

I'm a card carrying Republican for over 20 years, but no, I haven't noticed. Who are you thinking of when you say this?

I guess we all have our various opinions on who is a bum/scoundrel. To me, it's almost every single politician, regardless of party.

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by Aaron45

They've even invented an idiotic, crackpot conspiracy theory: that the gun walking operation, which was started under Bush in 2006, was somehow a plan by Obama to cause border violence to drum up support for domestic gun control.

[La Grenouille]

Reward offered for Border Patrol Agent's murderers: http://news.yahoo.com/feds-offer-1-m...opstories.html

Think they'd fork over the $1 mil if we took Holder in in handcuffs?

[garcia]

Originally Posted by La Grenouille

Reward offered for Border Patrol Agent's murderers: http://news.yahoo.com/feds-offer-1-m...opstories.html

Think they'd fork over the $1 mil if we took Holder in in handcuffs?

Darrel Issa going to claim them?

[michaelgee]

The Presidential order , in my opinion, indicates that Holder and Obama had prior knowledge and untruths were told.
Guilty of everything they get accused of doing.
God bless Bryan Terry's family for this injustice that came from the White house and the highest level of command.
I hope and pray that one day the truth will be told, we have not heard it yet.

[michaelgee]

Originally Posted by Bullseye1911

+1
And take our Liar N Chief with him

I cast my vote for them to fall for this and the many other unAmerican things happening every day.
TAX SPEND VACATION, that does seem to be what is getting done.

[Thinktown USA]

Hi guys. I'm new to this particular forum. I'm the host/producer of a cable tv show in SW LA. Here's a video piece we did on F&F last summer.

http://youtu.be/ziTlme9nHAs

[Thinktown USA]

Is there a UN ATT thread on here???

[thearmedrebel]

Originally Posted by Thinktown USA

Is there a UN ATT thread on here???

No. The UN threads that had been allowed to run quickly devolved, so they get deleted now. Please don't start another one.

Robert

[Thinktown USA]

Uh, ok. Wow.