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Old 10-10-2012, 01:48 AM
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Clean Burning Powder For 45 ACP?




Just got my WilsonCombat CQB SF today. Looks like I'm going to have to work up a load to practice with. I have never loaded 45 ACP before.

Which powders have y'all found to burn the clean-est in 45 ACP?

I have shot cowboy for many years, and I have found Winchester 231 and Hogdon Clays & Hogdon HP 38 to be fairly dirty in both 45 Long Colt and 357 mag.

I've only loaded those three powders + Vihtavouri N310 & VV N320 + pure Goex black (Goex cartridge and, of course, Goex ffg and fffg). So, there's a lot more good products out there that I've had no experience with.

Vihtavouri N320 burns the clean-est in 357 mag for me but I don't know if it is a good powder to load in 45 ACP. (Compared to the VV N310, it burns slower, but I'm not sure if the 45 ACP round needs a slower burning powder or faster, for accuracy purposes.) I intend to use Federal match, large pistol primers.

I'm hoping some folks out there have figured out the clean burning issue, already.

If anybody has an opinion, I'd sure be glad to hear it.

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Old 10-10-2012, 02:22 AM
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Just got my WilsonCombat CQB SF today. Looks like I'm going to have to work up a load to practice with. I have never loaded 45 ACP before.

Which powders have y'all found to burn the clean-est in 45 ACP?

I have shot cowboy for many years, and I have found WC 231 and Hogdon Clays & Hogdon HP 38 to be fairly dirty in both 45 Long Colt and 357 mag.

I've only loaded those three powders + Vihtavouri N310 & VV N320 + pure Goex black (Goex cartridge and, of course, Goex ffg and fffg). So, there's a lot of good products out there I've had no experience with.

Vihtavouri N320 burns the clean-est in 357 mag for me but I don't know if it is a good powder to load in 45

I'm hoping some folks out there have figured out the clean burning issue, already.

If anybody has an opinion, I'd sure be glad to hear it.
If you already have experienced the N310 and N320 you have some of the best propellants available for the 45ACP
N320 is a top accuracy powder for most of my 45ACP guns and is in my opinion a clean burning powder.

Other choices in cleaner burning would be AA Nitro 100, AA No.2, CLAYS, RED DOT, Bullseye, Titegroup and WST

Any of these may meet your “hygiene” requirements, some a little better than others.
Many times we blame the powder for what can be other components and firearm related contributors.

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Old 10-10-2012, 02:40 AM
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Thnx

10-4, TG, thanks for spinning me up.

I may have 20 to 40 lbs of N 320 put back since I went over to the dark side shooting percussion pistols & Goex in all guns back in 2006. I would just as soon shoot the N 320 as anything. When I shot smokeless, I always believed tne N 320 had less "felt" recoil, but that was darn subjective, I know, and open to much debate.

I may be making too big of an issue about clean burning, but, just thinking about it, I figured the cleaner the better the pistol will run. Maybe it don't matter all that much.

Thnx for letting me know!
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:08 AM
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I used N320 for a while, and it is great powder, but I cut my per-load costs in half with another great powder, Hodgdon Clays. For less-than full power loads, I think it's the best .45 powder available. It's known to be clean burning, and "soft" in recoil.
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:32 AM
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6.9-7.2 grains of HS-6 underneath a 200 LSWC is an easy shooting load that leaves almost no residue on my 1911. Likewise, 6.8-7 grains of Silhouette underneath a 200 LSWC is incredibly clean. Both are excellent, clean burning powders.

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Old 10-10-2012, 08:47 AM
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Winchester Super Target (which replaced their old 452AA) is the cleanest powder I have found and I have used just about all of them at some point. It also meters very well. Try some.
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:58 AM
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Sorry in advance for a partial hi-jack ...

Anyone find any particular powders cleaner than others at low and mid range charges for paper punching ?
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:14 PM
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10-4, TG, thanks for spinning me up.

I may have 20 to 40 lbs of N 320 put back since I went over to the dark side shooting percussion pistols & Goex in all guns back in 2006. I would just as soon shoot the N 320 as anything. When I shot smokeless, I always believed tne N 320 had less "felt" recoil, but that was darn subjective, I know, and open to much debate.

I may be making too big of an issue about clean burning, but, just thinking about it, I figured the cleaner the better the pistol will run. Maybe it don't matter all that much.

Thnx for letting me know!
10-4, you will be hard pressed to find anyone who has had a bad experience with the V-V powders, especially the N310, N320 and the N340 in 45ACP

If you have 20# to 40# of 320….you’re fat! you’re big! you are totally “sconless”

Some years ago I worked up a battery of test with all three and for the most part N320 was what the bulk of my 45ACP stable liked so I lean toward it.
Others had have great success using N310 and N340

“Every gun is its own gun; every load is its own load”

VihtaVuori has obvious pride in their products and prices them accordingly, not to mention the offshore nature and origin of the powders.

As Rick mentioned, if you were inclined to manage your “magazine” of the N320.

Many of the powders I and others have mentioned could be cost effective alternatives to try.

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Old 10-10-2012, 01:17 PM
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Sorry in advance for a partial hi-jack ...

Anyone find any particular powders cleaner than others at low and mid range charges for paper punching ?
Any of the powders I mentioned above would fill your request

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Old 10-10-2012, 03:14 PM
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I have 22 different types of pistol powder and have never had a problem with dirtiness. With that said, I do inspect and clean my guns after each shooting session.
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Old 10-10-2012, 07:38 PM
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rusty - I prefer Red Dot. It does seem a little cleaner. Clays is good and some guys say that American Select is great - for clean, anyway. enjoy Mike
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:07 PM
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VVN310, Nosler 185 grain jhp.
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:16 PM
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Another vote for N320. I just ordered another 4# of it from PV. Someday I would like to try WST and Clays.
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:52 PM
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Winchester Super Target (which replaced their old 452AA) is the cleanest powder I have found and I have used just about all of them at some point. It also meters very well. Try some.
I'm also a fan of WST.
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:45 PM
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I have N320,N330,N340,N350,3N37,and 3N38. All of them are great powders and in .45 the 320 and 340 are the cleanest out of the other 20 or so I've played with. The costs get up there,but they are worth it, To bad I have to order it as the only way to get some. I do like AA#5 and WSF for lead(keeps cost-per-round down) ,both are reasonably clean,but not quite as nice as the VV's.
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:54 PM
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Thanks, Rick. I used Clays in 45 Long Colt for several years. I liked it, then. The VV did seem cleaner, to me, but that was definitely a subjective assessment.
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:03 PM
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6.9-7.2 grains of HS-6 underneath a 200 LSWC is an easy shooting load that leaves almost no residue on my 1911. Likewise, 6.8-7 grains underneath a 200 LSWC in incredibly clean. Both are excellent, clean burning powders.
Thanks, MM. Sounds like those are two good recipes. I like the clean burning part, too. I expect it would be fun to try several different loads to compare. Sounds like folks responding to this thread have a wide variety of favorites. This will sure help to prevent having to reinvent the wheel!
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:14 PM
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Winchester Super Target (which replaced their old 452AA) is the cleanest powder I have found and I have used just about all of them at some point. It also meters very well. Try some.
Never tried the WST; I'll try to pick some up. One drawback to the slower burning VV N 320 we started noticing in about 2003 was that it left some unburned flakes of powder around the cylinder face and bearing in the single actions. Not so bad in the wheel guns, but it is a drawback I'd as soon avoid with the 1911. Even keeping the slide reasonably dry, I have worried about the effect of the potential build up after just 2 or 300 rounds.Sounds like the W Super Target would avoid that problem, too.
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:30 PM
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N310 is all I load in .45 apc.
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:31 PM
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I like good ol Red Dot for my bullseye loads. Red Dot has got a lot cleaner over the years.
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:39 PM
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10-4, you will be hard pressed to find anyone who has had a bad experience with the V-V powders, especially the N310, N320 and the N340 in 45ACP

If you have 20# to 40# of 320….you’re fat! you’re big! you are totally “sconless”

Some years ago I worked up a battery of test with all three and for the most part N320 was what the bulk of my 45ACP stable liked so I lean toward it.
Others had have great success using N310 and N340

“Every gun is its own gun; every load is its own load”

VihtaVuori has obvious pride in their products and prices them accordingly, not to mention the offshore nature and origin of the powders.

As Rick mentioned, if you were inclined to manage your “magazine” of the N320.

Many of the powders I and others have mentioned could be cost effective alternatives to try.

Good Luck
Well, I had a hard time getting the VV! so, when I had the opportunity, I just stretched to order in quantity so as to minimize the chances of running out and to minimize the hazmat fees. (I don't remember actuallygetting much of a price break!) My wife shoots, too. Until '09, we shot most weekends Jan - Oct + we built ourselves a little three sided shoot house to get out of the rain; a few weeks we might collectively run 2 - 3000 rounds between pistols and rifle before EOT or regional and state matche. Between the two of us, we ran through powder and other components pretty fast. Since '09 grandbabies, bird dogs and grouse have changed our focus.

I agree 100% with your view that the suggestions folks have for alternatives to VV are sure worth trying out, both in terms of finding out what my sweet WC SF CQB (shot it tonight for the first time; never owned a pistol that shoots this good!) likes the best and in terms of price. Thanks for the help!
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:53 PM
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I have 22 different types of pistol powder and have never had a problem with dirtiness. With that said, I do inspect and clean my guns after each shooting session.
10-4, Otto. I just got to try my WC out for the first time tonight about dark 30 (tritium sights were awesome) on 50 remanfactured loads I got from ammoman maybe in '07. Don't know, of course, what powder it has in it; probably safe to guess something economical. In light of my posting this thread last night, I checked the action, and I didn't think there was that much fouling,---a little carbon build up, but not as much as I expected. As I mentioned last night, given my utter lack of experience with 1911's and reloading 45 ACP! I may be overly concerned with the clean burning issue. Thanks much.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:00 PM
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rusty - I prefer Red Dot. It does seem a little cleaner. Clays is good and some guys say that American Select is great - for clean, anyway. enjoy Mike
Thanks, Capt. A cowboy friend at the Ala State last weekend said he liked red dot the best for his 45 ACP loads. We didn't get to finish the conversation. I've never loaded any Alliant powder. Are there different versions of Red Dot, or is Red Dot THE model? I will give it a try. It is one of the few powders I've seen on shelves locally here where we live in the mtns of wesrern NC.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:03 PM
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VVN310, Nosler 185 grain jhp.
Good call on the N 310, David. Now that I've been thinking about it, the faster burning N 310 might eliminate the potential for unburned powder we noticed with the N 320. Thanks for the beta on the bullet you are using. That's another piece of the puzzle I've got to figure out. Found another thread on that subject that got me started a little bit, but sure appreciate the help on favorite bullets.

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Old 10-10-2012, 11:10 PM
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Another vote for N320. I just ordered another 4# of it from PV. Someday I would like to try WST and Clays.
TK, the great thing about testing out these suggestions for new powders/loads is, once we've got them loaded, we get to burn the powder. Pleease don't throw me into the briar patch, Brr Rabbit!!!
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