Hold up man 0-Customer 1

[Amp Mangum]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?se...cal&id=8723375

http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/11277401/

[jmchaney]

Originally Posted by Amp Mangum

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?se...cal&id=8723375

http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/11277401/

Here is another story that did not end as well. Armed customer missed the robber and killed the clerk instead. Robber stole his car for the getaway too.

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/18661869/chl

[Bigapple828]

Great story!

I guess for JMChaney, not so much. Talk about a buzz-killington...

[drifter2be]

Originally Posted by Bigapple828

Great story!

I guess for JMChaney, not so much. Talk about a buzz-killington...

No kidding, total downer...

That is one of the reasons I would never pull a gun unless I either had one pointed at me, or was sure that it would be pointed at me, what a terrible burden for that person to have to live with now.

[Rick McC.]

That's why those of us that carry owe it to everyone to practice, practice, practice.

My prayers go out to both families.

Rick

[master gunner]

Originally Posted by drifter2be

No kidding, total downer...

That is one of the reasons I would never pull a gun unless I either had one pointed at me, or was sure that it would be pointed at me, what a terrible burden for that person to have to live with now.

If you wait till then you waited too long.

[FAAPOD]

Originally Posted by master gunner

If you wait till then you waited too long.

Agreed. The BGs came in and locked the door. That's not likely to end well for anyone inside.

[Pat-inCO]

Originally Posted by drifter2be

That is one of the reasons I would never pull a gun unless I either had one pointed at me, or was sure that it would be pointed at me, what a terrible burden for that person to have to live with now.

Gee, do you think that's why so many people advocate TRAINING for CC?

The clowns that say "I got my rights" or "I don't need training" are delusional.

[Dick Fontaine]

I love the saying "amateurs practice until they get it right, professionals practice until they can't get it wrong". That would probably apply here.

[JGus]

I hope the person who shot the criminal doesn't get sued. But unfortunately we live in a society that often times seems to protect the criminal.

He did the right thing, shooting the criminal once he put a gun on someone even though the gun wasn't on him. If one of my family members or friends ever had a gun pointed at them by some criminal I would hope someone carrying concealed would put the criminal down vs hoping the criminal doesn't shoot them.

[ScottTheEngineer]

The CHL shooting the clerk Situation totally sucks. The thugs should end up being charged with homicide. It was there actions that lead to the incident. This is one of my biggest worries on the long cross country trips I have to take every few weeks. Walking into a gas station where there is no clerk. First thing I do is look on the floor behind the register. This has happened a few times but They're always in the back doing something.
I hate to walk out of the bathroom in the middle of a robbery in progress.

[jeremydial1981]

Wow loved the first story, Not so much on the second one.

Practice practice practice

[BillD]

Originally Posted by Dick Fontaine

I love the saying "amateurs practice until they get it right, professionals practice until they can't get it wrong". That would probably apply here.

True but your normal gun owner or CC is not a professional.

[Dick Fontaine]

Originally Posted by BillD

True but your normal gun owner or CC is not a professional.

Right, but you can practice to a professional level, even if you're not one.

[BillD]

Originally Posted by Dick Fontaine

Right, but you can practice to a professional level, even if you're not one.

This is true. I shoot about 20K or more pistol rounds a year.

I know very few people outside of the competition arena that shoot anywhere near enough to maintain competency or have any speed.

Being competent with a handgun requires a big investment of time and money. Most folks don't invest either. Which is why I made my "professional" statement.

I bet 90% of the guns carried for CCW have less than 1000 rounds through them.

[LWolken]

Interesting that the reporter did not mention that the CHL holder tried to leave but the door was locked!

[Lt.Smoke]

We need more upstanding citizens like that... Hope nothing happens to the CW holder since he potentially saved someone else's life

[NETim]

One can be a "professional" but at the same time, not be an "expert." Being paid to carry a gun does NOT make one an expert but it does make them a "professional."

[dillehayd]

Originally Posted by FAAPOD

Agreed. The BGs came in and locked the door. That's not likely to end well for anyone inside.

Yep. If they want to prevent your escape it's not so they can get a game of gin rummy started.

[dillehayd]

Originally Posted by Bigapple828

I guess for JMChaney, not so much. Talk about a buzz-killington...

It's fair to deal with the reality though I have the impression JMChaney was trying to score a point rather than share a news story. Otherwise he'd have started his own thread.

The story does point out one of the risks that might be ignored in this subforum from time to time.

[jmchaney]

Originally Posted by dillehayd

Yep. If they want to prevent your escape it's not so they can get a game of gin rummy started.

It was not to prevent anyone getting out, it was to keep anyone from getting in. Anyway, the robbers got out easy enough. And you're right. One needs to carefully weigh the risks before getting involved in an armed robbery. Even in the OP's case, though he was mortally wounded, the robber could have done a lot of damage before he went down.

The fact is, an armed robber shooting his victim is quite rare, and attempting to stop one is like putting out a lit match by throwing gasoline on it. It can be done but if you miss, you're in deep doo-doo.

[dillehayd]

Originally Posted by jmchaney

It was not to prevent anyone getting out, it was to keep anyone from getting in. Anyway, the robbers got out easy enough. And you're right. One needs to carefully weigh the risks before getting involved in an armed robbery. Even in the OP's case, though he was mortally wounded, the robber could have done a lot of damage before he went down.

The fact is, an armed robber shooting his victim is quite rare, and attempting to stop one is like putting out a lit match by throwing gasoline on it. It can be done but if you miss, you're in deep doo-doo.

Were you there? Are you one of the robbers? How is it you can discern the intentions of the robbers with such finality? I used the word "if" for a specific reason.

And "you" are in deep doo-doo the moment a criminal pulls a gun regardless of whether "your" rounds hit "your" intended target.

[Levian]

The first story I like. Everything seems to have gone as it should have.

The second story is a bit of a downer. Probably should've had it's own thread, but it does carry a heavy reminder we all need. It's easy to say it's a practice issue, but even professionals have crossfire issues. I can shoot a good group at the range, my draw is relatively smooth and quick, time to acquire a good sight picture is low. I know the rules regarding knowing your target and what is beyond.

But I've never had to employ any of this in a life or death situation. I'd like to think I could keep the panic level to a minimum and do what needs to be done without error. But there's some things that range time and dry fire practice will never be able to duplicate, and no one will know how well prepared they are until they're forced into those situations. It's an unfortunate truth in all arenas of life that experience is something you only get after you need it.

[Amp Mangum]

The customer may have had this incident on his mind as it happened not far from his location.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/10940512/

The victims complied with the robbers, offered no resistance and were still shot and killed.

[Amp Mangum]

Customer won't be charged.

http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/11285170/