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Old 05-25-2012, 05:06 AM
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Old 05-25-2012, 07:40 AM
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I would cancel the fusion stuff and go Caspian.
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Old 05-25-2012, 08:02 AM
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I would cancel the fusion stuff and go Caspian.
+1 Caspian will be FAR better than what you'll get from Fusion.
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:00 AM
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Hello, friend.
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I am trying to build a custom carbon steel forged .460 rowland
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I have been told that i can fire standard 45acp +p as well as super in the same barrel...
Why don't you slow down and take your time.
From your statements, it seems clear to me that your knowledge isn't complete.
Take your time and get fully up to speed before committing to the build.



Your two quoted statements discuss two different things:

45acp and 45 Super are the same dimensions,
(case length 0.898 inches)
and can be fired from the same barrel.

But 460 Rowland has a longer case length (0.955 inches).
It's a different chamber.
Yes, you can set a 45acp cartridge in the 460 Rowland chamber,
and if the extractor holds it tightly enough you can discharge the cartridge.
But 460 R is a different chamber intended for a different cartridge than 45acp.
The two are not intended (nor safe) to be used interchangeably.




Friendly note: I agree with the Caspian recommendation, but it's your money and your gun. You buy whatever your wallet tells you to buy.
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:06 AM
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Are you going to reload your 460 Rowland,
or buy commercially loaded ammunition?

You better find out about it,
just so you know what you're getting into.

Buffalo Bore sells 460 Rowland ammo.
It's $35 per box. Box of 20 rounds, not 50.
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Old 05-25-2012, 10:08 AM
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And finally...

The most successful 460 Rowland conversions use a compensator.

That kinda makes it useless for 'around town' carry.
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Old 05-25-2012, 12:23 PM
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The Fusion-bashing is interesting. What basis do you people have for saying that Fusion sells bad parts? Especially since most of them seem to be sourced from STI?
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Old 05-25-2012, 02:45 PM
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Fair question, CB. Not a bash.

I can only answer for me, and I'm not bashing. Just track record.
I've had more satisfaction with Caspian parts than Fusion.
I ain't no custom gunsmith, just a guy that builds his own. That's all.

I've had maybe 5 or 6 parts over the last 5 years
(slides, sights, bushings, etc) from Fusion that didn't fit,
although purchased from the man himself at the same time
with his assurance that they fit. They didn't.
And I don't mean parts that need to be fitted together.
I mean holes drilled in the wrong place, grooves machined wrong, etc.
I still have a Fusion slide machined for Bomar but the threaded hole is wrong,
I simply cannot install the sight. I haven't decided what to do with it.

I've had one similar experience with Caspian, they left the 'bowtie' off the VIS once.

And I had one STI frame with an ejector hole not aligned vertically.
And I had a bad STI mag catch on a 9mm Trojan (but that was on a gun, not just parts).



So nobody is perfect, it's just that the edge goes to Caspian.
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Old 05-25-2012, 03:04 PM
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They are not sourced form STI, they are Remsport parts
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Old 05-25-2012, 06:44 PM
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It's a comon statement that's been made. with out holding something in your hand it's hard to refute the statements. the case is longer overall dimensions are the same bla bla. i already anticipated a second barrel with a different set of springs. it made zero sence to me.

And it's not a conversion gun. it's a gun built to be a 460 rowland not the other way around. There will absolutly be zero comp on this weapon! so not useless
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Old 05-25-2012, 06:56 PM
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Some guys shoot standard 45acp in the Rowland, as long as the extractor holds the cartridge for a good firing pin hit. It's not the optimum thing to do, but other owners get away with it.

The compensator is used on the 1911 frame because it tends to get cracks when a extra-powerful cartridge is employed. Look at Colt with the history of the 10mm, eventually they made a slight modifiation at the slide stop port because it kept cracking there. The 460 Rowland is way more powerful than 10mm, so caution with the 1911 frame is usually employed. Jonny Rowland himself uses a compensator on the 1911 pistols he produces. He does not use a comp on certain other pistols because they distribute the load through the frame differently, but nearly everyone uses the comp on a 1911 build. The term 'conversion' is used for a brand new pistol being built in a non-standard caliber. Even if you don't have a full understanding of the cartridge yet, I say more power to ya. Best of luck with your project, and have fun with it.

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