9mm

[bips357m]

New guy here looking to get a 9mm 1911. Looked at the Loaded Target-want a target model-wondering how those of you who have a 9mm like them. Right now a toss up between SA, Kimber and STI. I didn't realize until I started snooping around here that SAs are made in Brazil. Convince me that's not a bad thing.

[Minx Boy]

All the SA frames and slides are forged in Brazil, and some of them are sent to the US for final fitting, like the custom shop guns and the Famous Professional itself. If that's not good enough, then nothing will convince you.

[IMChuc9775]

far left and center guns are 9mms and they are great. The Brazilian frames are fine, cant you tell

[Quack]

The STI Trojan is going to be a better gun than the Loaded.

[Quack]

this is an old article, but it shows what an STI Trojan can do against a SACS built gun.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...9/ai_n8968397/

9mm 1911 PPC PISTOLS

Load                                      Velocity   Avg.
                                                     (inch)
Springfield Armory 1911-A1 5" PPC
Black Hills 125 gr. FMJ                    1,190      2.82
Federal 124 gr. Hydra-shok                 1,123      1.53
Federal 124 gr. FMJ Match                  1,156      2.09
Winchester 147 gr. TMC                      999       2.36
6.0 gr. Power Pistol 121 gr. Hornday JHP   1,235      2.22
Average: 2.20

Springfield Armory 1911-A1 6" PPC Bull Barrel
Black Hills 125 gr. FMJ                    1,231      2.77
Federal 124 gr. Hydra-shok                 1,161      2.84
Federal 124 gr. FMJ Match                  1,185      2.78
Winchester 147 gr. TCMC                    1,035      3.18
6.0 gr. Power Pistol 121 gr. Hornday JHP   1,248      2.03
Average: 2.72

STI "Trojan" 5"
Black Hills 125 gr. FMJ                    1,146      2.87
Federal 124 gr. Hydra-shok                 1,063      2.61
Federal 124 gr. FMJ Match                  1,105      2.22
Winchester 147 gr. TCMC                     944       1.87
6.0 gr. Power Pistol 121 gr. Hornday JHP   1,170      2.33
Average: 2.38

RETEST

Springfield Armory 1911-A1 6" PPC, Nowlin Standard Barrel
Black Hills 124 gr. JHP                    1,306      2.02
Federal 124 gr. Hydra-shok                 1,151      1.79
Federal 124 gr. FMJ Match                  1,176      2.24
Winchester 147 gr. TCMC                    1,028      2.10
Anderson 147 gr. XTP                       1,032      1.83
Anderson 147 gr. FMJ Match                 1,040      1.66
Winchester 147 gr. Silvertip               1,003      1.40
6.0 gr. Power Pistol 121 gr. Hornday JHP   1,269      1.74
Average: 1.85

Retest With Bull Barrel
Black Hills 124 gr. JHP                    1,290      1.77
Federal 124 gr. Hydra-shok                 1,157      1.55
Federal 124 gr. FMJ Match                  1,187      1.67
Winchester 147 gr. TCMC                    1,037      2.19
Anderson 147 gr. XTP                       1,034      1.23
Anderson 147 gr. FMJ Match                 1,048      1.09
Winchester 147 gr. Silvertip               1,044      2.07
6.0 gr. Power Pistol 121 gr. Hornday JHP   1,268      1.42
Average: 1.75

Accuracy results are results of three, 10-shot groups @50 yds.
from Ransom rest.

Velocity is the instrumental average of 30 shots @ 15 feet.

[Quack]

BTW, i have a 9mm Loaded. Only bought it over the Trojan because i got a good deal on it.



I also have a SACS built 9mm.


even though i have the above 2, i still enjoy shooting my 9mm 2011's more and i'm picking up my newest 2011 tonight.

[Punished1911]

I picked up my SA target 9mm 3 weeks ago and just love shooting this gun. I will say that this gun can shoot better than I can shoot it right now but part of the fun is to enjoy the practice to get better.

[Live2Ride]

I like the hell out of my Loaded Target!

[SteedGun]

Quack,

How does the STI Trojan stack up against the DW Guardian 9mm? Different type guns?

[Quack]

i liked my DaWG.
different guns with different purposes.
I traded my DW for a STI Tactical 4.15 for carry. I liked the DW, but i like 2011's more.

if comparing the PM-9 to the Trojan, i'd pick the Trojan because it's carbon steel. My 9mm Loaded had a decent fit when it was new, but it's loosened up quite a bit.

[bips357m]

OK, a dumb question showing how new I am to this. What's a 2011?

[bips357m]

Originally Posted by Quack

The STI Trojan is going to be a better gun than the Loaded.

Thanks for the link.

[Quack]

Originally Posted by bips357m

OK, a dumb question showing how new I am to this. What's a 2011?

This...(picked it up tonight)


this...


and this...

[Punished1911]

Well I only have 2 things to say. Quack those are some beautiful guns and I really need to win the lotto.

[scottl]

No flat trigger on the new one?

[Quack]

Originally Posted by scottl

No flat trigger on the new one?

Has one

[SteedGun]

I guess you don't have much of a problem changing mags on that one! As always, great looking guns Quack. My daughter has taken my DW Guardian in 9mm for herself so I am now looking for a 9mm. I appreciate the STI suggestion I will start looking. For now I am breaking in a Kimber Solo 9mm and it is more work than fun. I also bought a Ruger LC9 that I am considering for carry when biking. I will keep either the Solo or the LC9 for biking and very small carry but I really want a nice mid-full framed 9mm as well. STI might fit that need just perfect.

[rman]

I have a stainless loaded target. I only had one issue with it - for a target gun, the trigger was nothing to write home about. The pull was 5.5 lbs and it had a little creep. I finally took it to my local gunsmith and for 50 bucks I now have a true target 9mm. The barrel to bushing and barrel to slide fit are nice and tight. It the most accurate 9mm I have ever shot. (And I've shot more than a few)

[Quack]

Originally Posted by SteedGun

I guess you don't have much of a problem changing mags on that one! As always, great looking guns Quack. My daughter has taken my DW Guardian in 9mm for herself so I am now looking for a 9mm. I appreciate the STI suggestion I will start looking. For now I am breaking in a Kimber Solo 9mm and it is more work than fun. I also bought a Ruger LC9 that I am considering for carry when biking. I will keep either the Solo or the LC9 for biking and very small carry but I really want a nice mid-full framed 9mm as well. STI might fit that need just perfect.

Yep, can't miss even without the magwell. I was going to use my Tactical in the Costa Ludas class, but I'll use the new one (Harrison 2011). The Tac will be my backup.

[SteedGun]

Any comments out there about the Elektra from STI? I have three females that I am tutoring in shooting and self defense and the Elektra looks like a nice option in 9mm.

[Quack]

Originally Posted by SteedGun

Any comments out there about the Elektra from STI? I have three females that I am tutoring in shooting and self defense and the Elektra looks like a nice option in 9mm.

Probably a better question for the STI forum. I wouldn't hesitate to buy any STI.

[SteedGun]

Originally Posted by Quack

Probably a better question for the STI forum. I wouldn't hesitate to buy any STI.

Ya know, you are right so I will go post it over there but I do appreciate the comment on STI.
Regards.

[bips357m]

Originally Posted by Quack

i liked my DaWG.
different guns with different purposes.
I traded my DW for a STI Tactical 4.15 for carry. I liked the DW, but i like 2011's more.

if comparing the PM-9 to the Trojan, i'd pick the Trojan because it's carbon steel. My 9mm Loaded had a decent fit when it was new, but it's loosened up quite a bit.

So you like your STI better than SA or DW. I saw a DW PM9 in my CZ catalog and it seems to be a nice gun. American made. Is it a true 1911? What has you liking the carbon steel over whatever the PM9 is made of?

[Quack]

Yep, love my STIs
I prefer carbon over stainless because (IME) carbon can be fit tighter than SS and stays tighter longer. Also if you look at DW stainless guns, they had issues galling.

My SS 9mm Loaded started out fit pretty well, but now there is quite a bit of play in.it. the barrel bushing wasnt fit well, so I refit a new one. I was wanting more from the trigger, so I replaced it. So for just a little bit more (today) I would get a Trojan, but I got my Loaded at a good price years ago.

[bips357m]

Originally Posted by Quack

Yep, love my STIs
I prefer carbon over stainless because (IME) carbon can be fit tighter than SS and stays tighter longer. Also if you look at DW stainless guns, they had issues galling.

My SS 9mm Loaded started out fit pretty well, but now there is quite a bit of play in.it. the barrel bushing wasnt fit well, so I refit a new one. I was wanting more from the trigger, so I replaced it. So for just a little bit more (today) I would get a Trojan, but I got my Loaded at a good price years ago.

I've been cruising the STI web site and think a Trojan or Range Master would be the way I would go. This is all very confusing. Everyone has their picks. I'm getting more bad info on the Kimbers than the others. I have never seen an STI except for a Spartan and that did not impress me. I hope going up a notch or 2 gives you a lot more quality. SAs get mixed reviews and the DW PM9 is also appealing, though I've never seen one of their products either. At first I thought STIs were American made but that does not appear to be the case.