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Old 05-09-2012, 04:08 PM
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Does anyone know if you have to wear a cover garment when shooting a classifier?
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Old 05-09-2012, 04:14 PM
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No cover garment required.
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Old 05-09-2012, 04:54 PM
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Good deal. There is a classifier Sunday but I wasn't sure whether the garment was required for that.
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Old 05-10-2012, 01:55 PM
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Nope cover garment required, all you will need is a minimum of 90 rounds a holster and 2 mag carriers and 3 magazine. Good Luck....Remember 1-1-2-1-1. Have fun.
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Old 05-10-2012, 02:00 PM
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guysmith--you mean no cover garment required, correct? My understanding is that no cover garment is even allowed.
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Old 05-10-2012, 02:15 PM
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OOPs, yes I meant NO COVER required. Sorry.
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Old 05-12-2012, 12:04 AM
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I definitely will have fun... this is only the second event I have been to so it should be a decent indicator of my skill at this point. Last time I shot a 45 so this time I am going to take an XDm 9mm and see how that works. Thanks for the help!
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Old 05-12-2012, 12:13 AM
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Good luck Tyler. Make sure to take the time you need to get those head shots.
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Old 05-12-2012, 01:01 AM
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Good luck Tyler. Make sure to take the time you need to get those head shots.
Thanks for the luck. I am a bit nervous honestly. I feel like I have to shoot fast!
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Old 05-12-2012, 08:53 AM
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Thanks for the luck. I am a bit nervous honestly. I feel like I have to shoot fast!
This is very common at the beginning. You may feel like you have to go fast, but the scoring suggests otherwise. Let your sights determine your speed. Relax, and just get your hits. It's actually a pretty fun little course of fire.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:00 AM
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guysmith--you mean no cover garment required, correct? My understanding is that no cover garment is even allowed.
You can wear acover garment if you want. No rule to the contrary.

I wear one so that I have a storage container when performing the reloads.
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Old 05-12-2012, 12:05 PM
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You're not supposed to. The times were set without wearing one. Wearing one will artificially inflate your times, you filthy sandbagger
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Old 05-12-2012, 03:20 PM
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You're not supposed to. The times were set without wearing one. Wearing one will artificially inflate your times, you filthy sandbagger
Try the other way around, it will deflate (slow) your time not increase it.

Show me where it says I can't use concealment - quote the rule and page number.
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Old 05-12-2012, 03:36 PM
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Doesn't inflate mean increase? Make bigger?

It doesn't say you can't, but I'm pretty sure that was the intention of the match classification system.

I'm sure you're a Master shooter so slowing you down a bit and having you classify lower isn't unfair to the other competitors.
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Old 05-12-2012, 03:42 PM
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I'm not a Master but thanks anyway.

So what's te problem if one chooses to wear concealment?

I've asked the TT to consider the use concealment in the classifier because that's the way we play the game.
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Old 05-12-2012, 03:45 PM
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As far as I know the times were set by shooting the classifier without concealment. By wearing concealment you are adding quite a bit to your time that doesn't reflect your true skills. There are 14 draws in the classifier I believe. Concealment adds probably half a second to each draw so that's 7 seconds right there. I don't think it's fair to other competitors in the lower classes if you purposely handicap yourself and end up in a lower class.

Then again someone could just purposely miss a couple of shots on the classifier and end up classed lower too.
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Old 05-12-2012, 03:55 PM
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Doesn't wearing concealment reflect the true time rather than the other way around?
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Old 05-12-2012, 03:57 PM
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Not if everyone else is shooting it the other way.
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Old 05-12-2012, 05:41 PM
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Doesn't wearing concealment reflect the true time rather than the other way around?
Nope. The standard was set without using some sort of concealment.
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Old 05-12-2012, 06:15 PM
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This is very common at the beginning. You may feel like you have to go fast, but the scoring suggests otherwise. Let your sights determine your speed. Relax, and just get your hits. It's actually a pretty fun little course of fire.
I have been working on shooting faster at the square range. By shooting faster I mean trying to pick the sights up faster and manage recoil a bit better. I need to find a way to stay calm and find my own pace.
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Old 05-12-2012, 06:27 PM
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I have been working on shooting faster at the square range. By shooting faster I mean trying to pick the sights up faster and manage recoil a bit better. I need to find a way to stay calm and find my own pace.
The sights are your gas pedal. As long as you are seeing them, hit it.

eerw told me that long ago.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:39 PM
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My times are reflected as true rather than skewed by not wearing concealment.

As I said earlier, we play the game using concealment.

I think that someone who classified as low SS with the classifier and no concealment really is a high MM playing the game with concealment, therefore the classifier times with the concealment garment on are true.
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My times are reflected as true rather than skewed by not wearing concealment.
Half empty vs half full.

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Old 05-13-2012, 05:50 AM
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NOt wearing concealment

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My times are reflected as true rather than skewed by not wearing concealment.
Your times may be true if you were shooting a self defense sceanrio, but the Classifier is a drill, and is used as a standard to judge performance.

If you prefer to wear a cover garment to stay "true" to the sport, that is fine, however, a cover garment will add extra time to your score, and some may think you are sand bagging, which I am sure is not your intent.

Wearing a cover garment will add more time to your Classifier score....if you are within 3 seconds of moving up to a higher Classification, then you are not shooting to your full potential, and may be unintentionally sand bagging.

Some like to wear a cover garment to store a mag for the reload with retention on Stage 3. I like the way Dave Sevigny does a RWR, which is to tuck it in the waistband then slide the hand back to the fresh mag. I use this technique quite often, and it is faster for me. There really isn't any good reason for wearing concealment when you are doing a drill, which is merely a "standard" to judge shooting performance for various techniques and different distances.
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:11 PM
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Tyler, don't get in too big a hurry. As stated before, make sure to get the head shots. Someone told me to "remember that you can't miss fast enough."
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