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Old 05-05-2012, 09:48 PM
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On the way to the gun show I decided to stop in one of my local gun shops.They new what I had been looking for and handed me this.






The guy selling is the son of a artillery soldier that came ashore how ever many days after d-day with the guns. The initials on the holster are also on the gun. how much does that hurt the value?

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Old 05-05-2012, 09:51 PM
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left off picture of initials. Sorry as i only had my Iphone.
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Old 05-05-2012, 09:54 PM
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On the way to the gun show I decided to stop in one of my local gun shops.They new what I had been looking for and handed me this.

The guy selling is the son of a artillery soldier that came ashore how ever many days after d-day with the guns. The initials on the holster are also on the gun. how much does that hurt the value?
None? Some? Adds to it?

Daven - I'd say your question falls into the typical abyss of valuation - it simply depends. If "J.J.M." are the initials of the guy that carried it in WWII, and you have provenance to the same, it may make it more appealing. If it's somebody else's initials, that carved them in there in the '70s, the gun is 'shooter' value. I know some collectors that wouldn't touch it because of it, and some that would find it interesting. I'd say - on the whole - it's probably a detractor.

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Old 05-05-2012, 10:14 PM
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I would add that it's on consignment and the asking price is .......$1800.00. I looked it up and my limited experience is that it would be worth $1000-1200 for starters. I'm not sure if the holster figures in to raise the price as I don't know how much it's worth. I'm sure the shop is trying to make alot off the consignment. If I was to make an offer am I off by my estimate? thanks.

I would add that the initials are barely noticeable in person and they had to point it out which I thought was honest.

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Old 05-05-2012, 11:13 PM
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Hard to say from the pictures provided, but without the initials I'd say it is on the high side of fair. The way it actually is however I'd be reluctant to spend that much on it, personally.
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Old 05-06-2012, 04:15 AM
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I would be hard pressed to jump on this one due to the high price and those darn initials. As it stands, it is over priced in my book.
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Old 05-06-2012, 07:14 AM
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'Buy the gun... not the story'.

If the price does get down to where condition and price makes sense, make sure the slide is numbered to the frame, the barrel is correct and the rest of the parts are right. Too many times buyers get caught up in the aura of the piece, and forget the more important details.
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Old 05-06-2012, 08:06 AM
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All good comments I knew I could count on. I'm still looking for a mixed rework at a low price but it's nice to see my gun shop was thinking of me and also how they think I have a lot of money. HA HA.
They said customer brought a correct REM/RAND in good shape to a concealed carry class but was thinking of selling to get smaller pistol and the instructor bought it for $300. He had paid $200 in the 1970's.
I guess that's great but on the other hand kind of slimy at the same time? Kind of like taking advantage, and I know it would be tempting to own one like that. I just know I need to be as informed as possible.
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Old 05-06-2012, 08:17 AM
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They said customer brought a correct REM/RAND in good shape to a concealed carry class but was thinking of selling to get smaller pistol and the instructor bought it for $300. He had paid $200 in the 1970's.
I guess that's great but on the other hand kind of slimy at the same time? Kind of like taking advantage, and I know it would be tempting to own one like that.
Look... if a deal like that comes your way GRAB it. Better that someone with an appreciation for these things have it, than some jackass who will grind, dremel and spray paint it.
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Old 05-06-2012, 10:27 AM
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Look... if a deal like that comes your way GRAB it. Better that someone with an appreciation for these things have it, than some jackass who will grind, dremel and spray paint it.
Everybody has their own standards I suppose.

That said, and with all due respect, "better you than someone else" is nothing more than a way to rationalize ripping somebody off.

I would posit that giving someone $300 for something you know is worth magnitudes of 'X' more is bad magic, which will come back to you - regardless of what you believe in.

If just doing the right thing isn't enough, then consider this: In the local hobby, we all know who the crooks are; as such, they get shut out of ALL the good stuff - because of the way they do business.

I've watched tableholders at shows refuse to sell stuff on their table - clearly labeled with a price tag - to a crooked buyer (even at asking price).

So, you 'get over' on somebody, and make a couple bucks - is it worth your reputation? ("Hey Bob, what'd you ever do with that WWII forty-five you had?" "Oh, I sold it to the guy down at the XYZ shop for $300." "You WHAT?!?")

You sell stuff you know has problems, or rip people off, you'll get figured out very quickly. Trust me.

The guy that got ripped off could be a friend / family member to any of us.

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Old 05-06-2012, 11:32 AM
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An all original 1943 GHD Colt is only worth 1000-1200 without the initials?? The gun looks to be in pretty good condition, other than the carving. From my experience, if it didn't have the carving, and was all correct it would be worth about 2 grand at least.

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Old 05-06-2012, 11:56 AM
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Even with initials 1500. without 18-2000.
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Old 05-06-2012, 12:01 PM
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Even with initials 1500. without 18-2000.
That's about what I was thinking. $1000-1200 is a little low, IMO. All original GI Colts are getting scarce.
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Old 05-06-2012, 12:17 PM
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that said, and with all due respect, "better you than someone else" is nothing more than a way to rationalize ripping somebody off.
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Old 05-06-2012, 04:51 PM
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I know the pics aren't that good but I hadn't planned on taking my camera to the shop or gun show( used my phone). I remember the front strap finish was 100% gone (rust like) and the top of slide was a reddish hue so very thin in its finish compared to the rest of the pistols finish and yes hard to see in my photos.

If it's still around in a week or two (when I'm most likely to see it again) I'll maybe get serious and ask them to take it apart (Field strip) for parts identification and try to take a few better pics. But I'm sure some one with money to burn will snap it up before then. Having knowledge and a wad of cash on hand is the name of the game. I'll continue to work on both.
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Old 05-06-2012, 05:34 PM
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Wear on the front strap and top is normal for a GI that has possibly seen some action. If it didn't have the name carved in it, I think It would be a good piece for you. Still, if it's not gone when you go back, try to talk them down a hundred or two.
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Old 05-06-2012, 05:38 PM
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Wear on the front strap and top is normal for a GI that has possibly seen some action. If it didn't have the name carved in it, I think It would be a good piece for you. Still, if it's not gone when you go back, try to talk them down a hundred or two.
Not worth a hundred or two less, either.
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Old 05-06-2012, 05:49 PM
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You sparked my grey mater. As I gave it back he mentioned the would probably "gunbroker it out" for all who check GB keep an Eye out for this 1911A1 as I don't navigate those sites very well or very often. Also if it goes on GB, it will be interesting how they describe its condition.

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Old 05-06-2012, 05:52 PM
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Not worth a hundred or two less, either.
Well then, what do you think it's worth? Do you think it's because of the carving?

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Old 05-06-2012, 06:09 PM
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Yes, that is a big part of it. Plus it sounds like it has a significant amount of wear and rust of some sort. I would not go near it mostly because of the initials.
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Old 05-06-2012, 06:19 PM
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Old 05-07-2012, 10:17 AM
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Collector value on this pistol is killed by the intials. Stay away from guns like this, they are losers everytime. Especially when the intials look like they are carved in with a nail in the dark.
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Old 05-07-2012, 04:19 PM
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Yes I do agree it looks like it was carved with a nail in the dark. Although more like scratched in by a nail but damaged none the less.

As they are asking $1800 for this, way to high in my opinion and others as well,my question is can this be had at a much lower price in the shooter category as that is what I'm looking for in the first place?

Also if they had pictures of his dad at war with this pistol and papers or some other what's the word provenance(not sure but I think you know what I'm getting at) could that justify it as a higher priced collectable? You know that it can be proved to have come ashore a few days after D-Day and traveled through Europe?
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Old 05-07-2012, 04:40 PM
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If you want a shooter, I'd suggest something with a hardened slide. A post-war commercial or a Series 70 would fit the bill. Or you could get a "mixmaster" GI 1911 and have it fitted with a hardened GI slide from Sarco.
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:41 PM
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When I say shooter I'm talking the category, or lower end of collectable 1911A1's. I don't plan on shooting it when I finally find one. I have a Kimber and a Auto Ordnance for shooting. I just want a reworked 1911A1 to get on the bottom rung of the ladder and work up from there. I just like admiring an older pistol and will work on finding a higher graded 1911A1 later.
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