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Old 04-25-2012, 06:52 PM
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Courage! The ability to rise beyond fear! Superb choice! ( I think the Sig Ultra's are excellent too) The Sigs are very different.
Keep it lubed, practice.
In the micro barrel 1911, .45ACP, FMJ 230g is fine for self defense. Many of the known and popular (expensive) HP ammo will not get the velocity to expand as advertised, and desired. Longer barrel, increased velocity.
FMJ 230g will have the ft. lbs. of energy to get the job done, with the added benefit of reliability.
I like a forward IWB holster.
Carrying FMJ rounds for defense is a tough call. A 230gr bullet from a 45 will easily pass through more than one human target. If you have bystanders or others around you remember you are responsible for where your rounds end up.
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Old 04-25-2012, 07:19 PM
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Carrying FMJ rounds for defense is a tough call. A 230gr bullet from a 45 will easily pass through more than one human target. If you have bystanders or others around you remember you are responsible for where your rounds end up.
If you have people behind the person you're shooting at, you've probably already made a questionable decision, regardless of your ammo.
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Old 04-25-2012, 08:07 PM
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I will throw in another point here.. I currenty have two 1911's

Ed Brown = $$$$$$$

Kimber Compact (Siers 1) = $

I am here to tell you that little Kimber has held its own against the Brown - Both have run 100% and actually I shoot a little better with the Kimber - go figure.

Point is - try and find a series 1 and see if you can move to the 4" officer model
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:32 AM
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If you have people behind the person you're shooting at, you've probably already made a questionable decision, regardless of your ammo.
You are assuming I am in a well lit area and I can see all the bystanders. Sometimes you can't see the person even if they are directly behind the threat. Not to mention, it is conceivable I might miss something in the background given someone is pointing a gun at me.

What if I am in my home and I fire at a BG and the bullet easily passes through him, drywall and on out into the world. If you live in a neighborhood where houses are close together, it would be foolish to think you might not end up putting that round through a neighbors wall. And what if you miss altogether? That round has a LOT more energy having not had to go through a human.

Just too many good HP's on the market to not choose one and help lower the risk of a pass through and accidental death.

By the way, Mas Ayoob speaks many times about instances where police officers have accidentally shot through a BG and into another person they didn't see in the shadows or off in the dark. It happens.

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Old 04-26-2012, 10:41 AM
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Did Massad Ayoob provide you with some examples? People say and speculate a lot of things, people also try to compare civilian carry with LE duty. People also babble in the internet, and people believe whatever they're told.

The point, none. There's an Ammo subforum with more discussions than you'll ever want to read, regarding defense rounds, ballistics, tests, BS, stories etc.
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:51 PM
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I really like johnhunter44's choice, and I want to hear more about the little gun, I think a 3" Kimber is on my short list.
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Old 04-27-2012, 01:07 AM
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Old 04-27-2012, 01:07 AM
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personally I have noticed a decrese in quality of Kimbers in the last 10 years but the only thing I see that in is finish. I think they do a terrible job finishing the guns.
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Old 04-27-2012, 08:56 AM
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I have a stainless TLE/RLII. I have had only 1 FTF out of 600 rounds. I reload all my own rounds and the one that failed was the first one. After I got my depth right I have not had one FTF. I did have to send mine in for a sight adjustment but after that I have been able to use it as a close range varmint gun. Ground squirrels out to 30 yards are in trouble. Ron

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Old 04-27-2012, 09:58 PM
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I have a stainless TLE/RLII. I have had only 1 FTF out of 600 rounds. I reload all my own rounds and the one that failed was the first one. After I got my depth right I have not had one FTF. I did have to send mine in for a sight adjustment but after that I have been able to use it as a close range varmint gun. Ground squirrels out to 30 yards are in trouble. Ron

Ground Squirrel vs 45 - and you have enough left to get a picture
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Old 04-29-2012, 01:05 PM
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Hi, new to the forums and thought I'd chime in my measly two cents. I own 3 kimbers, a custom TLE in 10mm a pro cary and an ultra raptor, and a few others from different companies. Yes I like Kimbers. However all 3 of them had FTF for about the first 500 rounds I put through them, it didn't matter if I was using range ammo or hot loaded personal defense. Kimber states that their guns require a break in period so it wasn't a surprise, I just think that for a thousand dollars or more you should not have to break in a weapon to get reliability. Also as a left handed shooter I'd like to see more of their weapons with ambi safeties, but that is a relatively cheap thing to replace. Their accuracy is very good, to the point where I can not shoot a 1911 set up for bullseye any better then I can the 10mm. For CCW I prefer the ultra raptor due to it's darkness (less likely to be seen through a shirt) over the pro carry I have. I am eyeing that new sapphire they have out but mainly for the aesthetic appearances.

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Old 04-29-2012, 09:28 PM
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Ground Squirrel vs 45 - and you have enough left to get a picture
I was using hard cast lead. Next time maybe I should try Zombie max? Ron
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Old 04-29-2012, 11:07 PM
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Johnhunter44,
I have two Kimbers, A Super Carry Pro and a Raptor Ultra II. The SCP was finicky on ammunition but as the round count builds, the gun now operates flawlessly. The Raptor Ultra has many hundred rounds down range and has been flawless in performance! That target was at 7 yards and is a 10 shot group!! The gun is ACCURATE!!



Now, my one REAL gripe... Kimber makes the main spring housing out of PLASTIC!! Here is the same gun with a Smith & Alexander stainless steel main spring housing and magwell and a set of their magwell grips. I carry this gun almost everyday!



I would not hesitate to purchase another Ultra...
My super Carry Ultra HD came with a steel mainspring housing. I wonder if all super carry pistols come with a steel MSH or if its just the HD pistols. ...and for the benefit of the OP, its my carry pistol and I've never experienced a failure.
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:27 AM
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My super Carry Ultra HD came with a steel mainspring housing. I wonder if all super carry pistols come with a steel MSH or if its just the HD pistols. ...and for the benefit of the OP, its my carry pistol and I've never experienced a failure.
Any gun with nonstandard MSH is steel.
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:48 AM
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I have a Super Carry Pro and it has been terrific through 1000 rounds or so. There were a couple of FTF issues initially, but after investigating, it was a magazine issue. Gun is very reliable, and I carry it every day. I like the Pro (commander) size for carry as the Ultra seems to be to small in the grip and Pro fits will in my IWB. Custom sizes work well too, but I choose to carry the Pro with alloy frame for the weight. With the gun, holster, and three 8 round mags, the belt can get heavy!

I can attest to the Pro and Ultra series being a little more finicky, but if they are maintained well and shot with a proper grip, you should see no issues. Less than adequate/out of tune magazines and limp wrist grips account for the lion's share of issues with 1911's in my opinion.

I highly recommend Kimber, and I don't have a dog in the hunt, only my own experience. I personally like the Super Carry Pro for CCW due the its carry bevel finish, alloy frame and bobbed MSH. Find a gun you can trust and are comfortable carrying every day. That is the key.

BTW, MSH is alloy as well on this gun.

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