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Old 04-17-2012, 09:29 PM
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I've been trying to find a 25 or a 625 locally and just can't get my hands on one. Not that I have the money, but if I did I couldn't spend it any way!
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Old 04-18-2012, 07:01 AM
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Smith and Wession 45acp and 45Colt

Pizza Bob you may be right too.I believe the model I am thinking of is a 25-3,45acp and colt.It is very rare,check on the smith and wesson forum.I came across one on gun broker when I was pricing the John Jovonio. What is the barrel lenght of the one in the thread,I to thought it may be a 5".Hard to tell the picture is slightly angled.If so it is rare,I have seen these guns from 600.00 to 1500.00 and up if they where a commerative or some other special features.
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Old 04-18-2012, 07:43 AM
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25-3

I checked on the 25-3 and it's not dual caliber from the factory.The one I saw on gunbroker was claimed to be.The 25-3 does have a short clyinder,but does not have room for moon clips.Maybe if a 25-2 clyinder was fitted it would work.Sorry Pizza Bob I guess it is only the Govornater.Funny the owner mentioned about trading for a 1911.About a month a go I was considering trading my wife's for a Colt CCo.Once I checked on price and availibilty of the jovino's I wised up real quick,and Colt cco's are not cheap either.If your's have a factory 5" barrel i would never sell or trade it.
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Old 04-18-2012, 09:41 AM
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@supervel

The model 25-3 was a commemorative model and was chambered in .45 Colt only. What made this unique was that the 25-3 used a short cylinder, derived from the 25-2 model, but chambered it for .45 Colt. Some handloads, especially those utilizing heavy Keith bullets could not be used when the the bullet was crimped in the crimp-groove, as they were too long. The bullet had to be crimped over the front driving band.

The 25-5 (I don't believe there ever was a 25-4) was chambered for the .45 Colt cartridge but used a longer cylinder than those of the 25-2 and 25-3, so all .45 Colt bullet types could be accommodated.

The screw-up on the 25-5 guns was the dimension of the cylinder throats. S&W used post-war dimensions for the barrel and forcing cone, while using pre-war dimensions (as in Colt SAA) for the cylinder throats. Some cylinder throats measured as much as .458 and it was quite a shock to the projectile to get swaged down to .452 when it hit the barrel. Ask me how I know

I currently have a 25-2, six and a half inch, like the OP, a 625-2 five inch "Model of 1988" and I had a model 25-5, four inch that I lost in a burglary in the mid-80's - the only gun of several stolen (including two 1911's) that I can truly say I wasn't sad to see go. I don't think I'm done yet with .45 ACP revolvers - there may be a 625 PC or Pro and/or a 325 in some iteration in my future.

To the OP: Enjoy your 25-2. It's a great gun and a ball to shoot.

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Old 04-18-2012, 08:17 PM
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Very nice find. I've also been looking for one.
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Old 04-19-2012, 03:54 PM
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Old 04-19-2012, 06:57 PM
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Thanks Pizza Bob for getting that strait.I got that wrong information from a gunbroker ad I believe.A 45 colt in an acp chamber would have excessive headspace,that is why the 45 Auto Rim has such a thick rim.I need to researh how the governor works.I have not payed much attention to it.The thing I like about 45 acp revolvers is the quick reloads with moon clips,and the ease of carrying spare reloads,as compared to speed loaders.No it is not as good as a 1911 and a couple of spare mags,but I think it was a good choice for the wife,and for some reason it has grown on me also.I discovered this in 1993 before I ever herd of Jerry Meculke.He is also one of the fastest shooters I have ever seen or herd of,just amazing.I have not Measured my clynender but a .452 bullet drops through I believe.I have herd about the 45 colt to,.454 was the old pre war diameter,like you said,and that has caused accuracy problems in a lot of guns because of mismatched componets.
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Old 04-19-2012, 11:03 PM
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The 25-5 was a six inch .45 Colt presentation issue, along with the wood presentation case, there was a small book, and a Medal. The gun had special markings on the sideplate. At the time, there were no four inch presentation guns.
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Old 04-19-2012, 11:24 PM
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The 25-2 came in both 6.5" and 6" barrels; I have both examples in my safe. Doc's looks like a 6" to me but I cant measure the barrel from a photo As far as production date if we had the serial number we wouldnt be guessing as that info is easily obtainable in the SCSW book.

As far as chamber throats, some 25-2's had the proper .451-452 diameter throats at the front the cylinder, and some were mistakenly machined at .456-457. Normally the .451 bore throats are a bit more accurate and are something to look for if you're in the market for one of these fine revolvers.
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Old 04-19-2012, 11:42 PM
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I need to measure mine but judging how a .452 bullet feels in the end of cylinder I doubt it is .457".
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Old 04-19-2012, 11:54 PM
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Does anyone have any thoughts on shooting 45 super or 460 Roland in these guns.I don't personally do it,but I do not think 45super would be too bad for them?
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Old 04-20-2012, 07:59 AM
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The 25-5 was a six inch .45 Colt presentation issue, along with the wood presentation case, there was a small book, and a Medal. The gun had special markings on the sideplate. At the time, there were no four inch presentation guns.
That was the 25-3. The 25-5 was the regular production .45 Colt with the longer cylinder and there were most assuredly 4" versions of the 25-5 as I owned one.
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Old 04-20-2012, 09:31 AM
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hey, pizza bob! Yeah, I know what the history books all say. I just have this thing in my memory that the Presentation Gun was a 25-5. I dont know why, but there was SOMETHING about that 25-5 that sticks in my memory. Thanks for clearing that up.

What do you know about a .45 caliber M-26?
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Old 04-20-2012, 02:55 PM
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I agree with Pizza Bob.I thought I saw 25-5's in the late 70's but I am not sure?The 25-3's are rare.I think there is a model21 or 22 also and a Thunder Ranch version too.Then you have the 1950's Target models.Smith and Wesson is as hard to keep up with as Colt.I just know that my 25-2 has no steps in the chamber, and the new one I saw at the gunstore did.I believe it was a Thunder Ranch special.Have not dropped a 45 colt in it,but I know the headspace would be excessive if it did chamber.
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Old 04-20-2012, 05:32 PM
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Here's a 25-5 for you.

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Old 04-21-2012, 09:17 AM
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What do you know about a .45 caliber M-26?
This is where it gets really confusing. The Model 26 was actually the predecessor to the Model 25. It was chambered in .45 ACP/AR, but had a tapered barrel rather than the bull barrel of the Model 25. It was actually the "Model of 1950" - the Model 26 designation wasn't added until 1957 when S&W went to model numbers rather than names. By that time, even though it was still being produced, it was supplanted by the Model of 1955 - which in 1957 became the Model 25.

The "Model of 1950" was also used on the .44 Spl target N-frame that later became the Model 24. I have a Model 28 that I had converted to .44 Spl using an original S&W Model of 1950 barrel.

Clear as mud, huh?

One last thing - this thread, along with another in which I'm participating on another forum, is partially responsible for me being a bad boy. Closed the deal on a used Model 625PC yesterday. It'll be a week or two 'til I have in hand, but that brings the count of .45 ACP/AR revolvers to three in 6.5", 5" and now 4" barrel lengths.

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Old 04-21-2012, 09:22 AM
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This is where it gets really confusing. The Model 26 was actually the predecessor to the Model 25. It was chambered in .45 ACP/AR, but had a tapered barrel rather than the bull barrel of the Model 25. It was actually the "Model of 1950" - the Model 26 designation wasn't added until 1957 when S&W went to model numbers rather than names. By that time, even though it was still being produced, it was supplanted by the Model of 1955 - which in 1957 became the Model 25.

The "Model of 1950" was also used on the .44 Spl target N-frame that later became the Model 24. I have a Model 28 that I had converted to .44 Spl using an original S&W Model of 1950 barrel.

Clear as mud, huh?
IIRC, when S&W started numbering their products they were numbered sequentially as they were re-designated, not necessarily in the order they originated.
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Old 04-21-2012, 12:57 PM
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M 26/M25 confusion

Back in my more naive years I visited a gunshop in Houston. I had a M25 and a M26 in my hands. Each one was new in the box, and still had the cellophane wrap on the wood case.

The M26 had a sticky action, but the 25 was perfect. The dealer suggested I pass on the M26, so I did. I thought, "What the heck! I never heard of a 1950 Target Model in .45" , so I took the M25! Like a dummy! I should have taken both!!!
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Old 04-21-2012, 01:01 PM
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A M26! A sleek tapered barrel! Why was I so stupid! I actually had never heard of a M26 in .45...I thought it should have been a .44...Still kicking myself...
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Old 04-21-2012, 03:36 PM
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I passed up on an unshot 25-2 yesterday at the big gun show here. That probably was a bad decision now that I think about it.
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Old 04-21-2012, 05:49 PM
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Pizza bob, just re-read your post. I also owned a four inch M25 in .45 colt. My post referenced the presentation model not being in a four inch, but just the longer tube.

nosreme...Those guns I saw in houston were $300. each. OWWW! just kicked myself again...
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Old 04-22-2012, 05:11 PM
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Old 04-24-2012, 04:12 PM
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I had a 25-2 in the mid'70s-early '80s - shoulda kept it.

I have a full size 1911 -and- a 625 w/5" Bbl. After de-mooning
the .45 ACP I've got once fired cases that I KNOW are once fired.

I also fire .45 Auto Rim in the .625 - the thicker rim in comparison
to other rimmed cartridges is to properly headspace for a proper
strike by the firing pin HKS makes speed loaders for .45 AR

The advantage of .45 AR is you can get hotter loads compared to
.45 ACP from some of the smaller ammo companies like Double Tap,
Buffalo Bore, Reeds Ammo & Research etc.

Enjoy the 25-2!

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