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Old 04-22-2012, 09:46 PM
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Ruger lcr + self defense ammo?




Gun show coming up soon. If I can't find a springfield champion. I'm going to walk out with a wheel gun. Looking for a good controllable snub in 357. This will be a pocket gun. The ruger lcr is what I came up with. What are your opinions about the lcr? Also what are good sd loads? This will be my first but not last wheel gun. Thanx for the replies!
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Old 04-22-2012, 09:56 PM
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If it's a first revolver, a .357 mag snub is a bad idea. Either don't use .357 loads right off the bat, for go for something bigger (in size, not cal). Other than that, you should be good to go - LCR is a great little gun, with an awesome trigger. May be a little big for pocket carry, depending on how big you are. For SD loads, you might try some .38 or .38 +P - look at Buffalo Bore (their Barnes loads, or the LSWC-HP loads), Remington Golden Sabres, Corbon DPX, Speer Gold Dot (both standard and short barrel versions), or the LSWC-HP loads from Remington, Federal, and Winchester.

BTW, LSWC-HP = lead semi-wadcutter hollowpoint, a favorite of many who carry .38 snubbies.
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Old 04-22-2012, 10:01 PM
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The few LCRs I've handled and shot have been alright. It's just my opinion, but when it comes to wheel guns I always stick with S&W or Colt. Track record and nostalgia all in one package. Look into the Smith M60 if you haven't already.
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Old 04-22-2012, 10:20 PM
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Check a chiappa rhino. A little strange and a little pricy. Shoots 357mags like a 9mm. Just something to look into. I don't own one, but got to shoot a few hundred rounds. Had a blast!
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Old 04-22-2012, 11:09 PM
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thanx for the replies so far. I have fired a couple of .357's before. so I do know the kick. I just haven't owned or know much about brand and model vs comfort, concealment, and what's best for the wrist. I do plan on getting a couple of smiths in the future. but for now I just want comfort and reliability without having to worry about the finish and little things like that. I do want to carry .357 loads. I'll be using a couple of .357 loads at the range but primarily .38's. does it have to be 38+p? or will any .38 be fine shooting out of a .357? I also seen the rino at the gun show. it is also on my list to buy. I think it looks cool! but don't think I can just pop it in my pocket on my way out.

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Old 04-22-2012, 11:34 PM
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My DA Rhino is a pleasure to shoot with .357 mag loads. Yes, unique design, but it works.
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Old 04-22-2012, 11:37 PM
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kermit, IMHO, the best two choices for shooting out of a .38 snubbie are the Speer Gold Dot .38+P Short Barrel load, or the Corbon DPX (or about any Barnes copper round maker).

You can find the best deal on Gold Dot .38 Short Barrel in a million years at:

http://www.mahsupplies.net/

The user hotpig owns that site. 50 bullets to the box, compared to 20 for about the same price elsewhere.

Speer LE Gold Dot Short Barrel 38 Spc +P 135gr 50 rds 53921

$ 27.95

Part number 53921 Short Barrel
135gr +P. velocity 860fps 50 rounds
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Old 04-23-2012, 01:30 AM
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My DA Rhino is a pleasure to shoot with .357 mag loads. Yes, unique design, but it works.
is your rhino the snub version? if it is. what is it like carrying it?



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kermit, IMHO, the best two choices for shooting out of a .38 snubbie are the Speer Gold Dot .38+P Short Barrel load, or the Corbon DPX (or about any Barnes copper round maker).

You can find the best deal on Gold Dot .38 Short Barrel in a million years at:

http://www.mahsupplies.net/

The user hotpig owns that site. 50 bullets to the box, compared to 20 for about the same price elsewhere.

Speer LE Gold Dot Short Barrel 38 Spc +P 135gr 50 rds 53921

$ 27.95

Part number 53921 Short Barrel
135gr +P. velocity 860fps 50 rounds
thanx for the reply and link. I will only be using .38 for range shooting. I'll be carrying .357
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Old 04-23-2012, 08:16 AM
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That's cool, but just a note...

.38+P will get the job done with less flash, less recoil, and likely won't cost you your hearing if you shoot it indoors like a .357 can. The flash from a .357 out of a short barrel like an LCR is enough to blind you in an encounter at night.

Just a few things to think about.



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Old 04-23-2012, 08:35 AM
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does it have to be 38+p? or will any .38 be fine shooting out of a .357?
Yes, you can shoot any .38 shell out of a .357 revolver, it doesn't require +P loads.

Having owned a couple of LCRs, one in .38 and the other in .357, I would recommend the .357 model. It is 3 oz heavier, but more sturdy in build, and gives you the option to shoot .38s or .357s. The 3 oz weren't really noticeable to me in terms of pocket carry. I like LCRs as a carry gun, since as you mentioned you don't have to worry about dinging it up (not that I would mistreat any gun) and the comparable S&W ultralight or airweight models are just too light. It does have a very smooth trigger, best on any stock DA revolver I have ever felt.

Most people do find the recoil of a .357 in these guns to be unpleasant, whether it be the LCR or S&W models. If you can, you should rent them before you buy one. Personally, at self defense distances, I would think a good .38 round (like Hornady's Critical Defense) would do all you need it to do, as opposed to a .357, which in my opinion is a bit of overkill, pardon the pun, for the situation.
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Old 04-23-2012, 09:44 AM
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Check out Remington 125 gr Golden Saber HP for 357. They're a good lower recoil round for the light and short barrel 357's.
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:17 AM
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Have you taken a look at ballistics with .38+p v.s. .357mag??? THey are somewhat close in ballistics, and with the +p ammo you don't have near the flash, noise, or muzzle flip that you have in the full house magnum loads. This in turn equals to faster follow ups, and less distraction from blinding light and LOUD noise.

I use to carry full house loads in my SW 640(which I highly recommend), but I found that with close to the same ballistics out of a short barrel, that there was bunch of unburnt powder coming out of the barrel in the form of flame, so now it is strictly +p for me. Oh yea the SW 640 is a great piece. It is 8o.z. heavier than the Airweights of today, but that is okay for me, because I am very fast with my "heavy gun". It is hammerless, and comes out of the pocket with easy, and no hanging up. It has a pinned front sights in which you can change for better visibility if you choose
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Old 04-23-2012, 12:39 PM
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If just dead set on carrying 357 loads then get the ruger sp101, overbuilt and an easy shooter. If your gonna carry 357, then shoot 357. There is little gain in velocity from short barrels vs. 38spl +p.
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:24 PM
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If just dead set on carrying 357 loads then get the ruger sp101, overbuilt and an easy shooter. If your gonna carry 357, then shoot 357. There is little gain in velocity from short barrels vs. 38spl +p.
does a 3" barrel really make that much of a difference over the 2" barrel when shooting .357? i like the sp101. but was looking for something to be able to toss in my pocket for a quick run to the store or gym. my primary carry gun rotation is my springfield xdm compact 9mm or my springfield 1911 trp. depends on what I'm wearing. this gun is just to fill that void. something powerful yet compact enough to toss in my pocket or take with me on my daily 6 mile run.
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:51 AM
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357 really excels out of longer barrels, 100fps or more from 2-3 inches. Gas cutting is also excellerated on aluminum framed revolvers. When dealing with snubs, 38spl +p is within 100fps of of 357 in 1.875inch barrels depending on load. That extra 100fps comes at a price, lots of noise,flash and recoil. If weight and size are of concern, why pick the heavier and slightly larger 357 lcr?
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Old 04-24-2012, 01:08 AM
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Corbon used to make some 38+P+ 115gr. loads that used a 9mm bullet I am told that sounded interesting.Does Rem. still make the med.vel.357 loads?If not either of these try some 158gr 38 special +p swc.I would not recomend the Full 357 loads out of a light snub either.
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:47 AM
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The weight and size is a big thing. After handling and comparing the 38 and 357 lcr. The size is the same and a mere 4oz difference. Even if I decide to carry 38. I will still buy the 357. That being said. They're plenty of lcr's and sp101's at the gun show. I will definitely compare them. After reading all the post. I take it that the 38 round is a better carry round than I thought. If the 3" sp101 meets my standards. Do you then recommend carrying 357 loads? Or is 38 still the round to carry?
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Old 04-24-2012, 06:40 PM
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I'm sure the LCR is a solid shooter but I'm bias towards my S&W Airweight. You said you are familiar with the recoil of a .357 but have you shot it in a snubbie. The mag is not bad in my 66 but in the short barrel it's flat brutal. I say buy the mag but the first several hundered rounds I'd go with .38's in a SWC just to get used to shooting the little gun. They aren't the easiest things to shoot and A LOT of PRACTICE will go along way.
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Old 04-25-2012, 08:38 PM
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does a 3" barrel really make that much of a difference over the 2" barrel when shooting .357? i like the sp101. but was looking for something to be able to toss in my pocket for a quick run to the store or gym. my primary carry gun rotation is my springfield xdm compact 9mm or my springfield 1911 trp. depends on what I'm wearing. this gun is just to fill that void. something powerful yet compact enough to toss in my pocket or take with me on my daily 6 mile run.
The difference from 1.875" to 3" in 357 mag is considerable, look at the Ballistics by the Inch website. I have a S&W Model 60 Pro that has a 3" barrel and is pocketable. It weighs 22.5 ounces with Hogue Bantams instead of the stock wood grips in the picture, and .357 mag is controllable with the steel frame:

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Old 04-26-2012, 03:01 AM
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The difference from 1.875" to 3" in 357 mag is considerable, look at the Ballistics by the Inch website. I have a S&W Model 60 Pro that has a 3" barrel and is pocketable. It weighs 22.5 ounces with Hogue Bantams instead of the stock wood grips in the picture, and .357 mag is controllable with the steel frame:

You fit that in your pocket? What kind of pants do you have
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