What Can Happen in an Unarmed Country

[BurntEyes]

Not sure how many of you are aware of the riots in the UK. Youths all over London and spreading into many other cities are essentially running the streets looting and burning down businesses. No need to be able to defend ones property & life with a gun, as surely the police will defend your property, RIGHT?

http://news.yahoo.com/uk-police-arre...170520562.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14440865

[Kokopelli]

Modern life in the UK has created a society of victims. Hooligans in mass can do whatever they want.. Ron

[LW McVay]

Well, they are afterall, subjects of the Crown. They gave up their manhood a long time ago.

[Kimbercarry25]

Well I guess you could resort to using rolling pins and deep fry baskets as one restaurant had to during these little insurrections. This would be my "approved" British weapon of choice:

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It is of course 45 caliber.

[CRUE CAB]

Seems Europe and the UK in general are in a bad place right now.
I still cant get over the mass shooting in Norway.
But I love the way they are gushing over the new princess, as their country falls down around them.

[Earlsbud]

Originally Posted by LW McVay

Well, they are afterall, subjects of the Crown. They gave up their manhood a long time ago.

You can't really blame Liz and poor old Prince Philip now can you? They're mere figure heads. They too are subjects of a liberal socialist government who's mentality is not unlike the current regime here.

At least an Irishman has his shalaylee for times like these. Beats an umbrella.

[JerryM]

The riot in California some years ago where a trucker got pulled out of the truck and severely beaten was not much better. If I remember correctly the guy who hit the trucker with a concrete block got off.
Jerry

[Kokopelli]

Unfortunately, it's the multiculturalism thing that's about to explode. It's been boiling over every now and again for about twenty years or so.

The mob violence thing is connected in some ways, but as others have said it's the disarming of the people that paves the way for such nonsense. Not only have they been disarmed in the hardware sense, but in the software sense as well. The collective consciousness doesn't define self defense or singular responsibility.

London specifically has been taken over ethnic gangs and homegrown hooligans. I know a number of people that lived and schooled in London and they've all moved out. They tell me that all the places they remember fondly as "west bank-ish Bohemian" hangouts have been routed out by street gangs and racial discord.

All this makes the "mini gang" violence here in the states somewhat unnerving. Unfortunately it will probably take a bunch of kids/hooligans/fools getting killed while attacking a responsible citizen to get everyone's attention.

Economics only serve to exacerbate the problems.. Ron

[CRUE CAB]

Originally Posted by JerryM

The riot in California some years ago where a trucker got pulled out of the truck and severely beaten was not much better. If I remember correctly the guy who hit the trucker with a concrete block got off.
Jerry

That was after the verdict in the cop beating of a black man (Rodney King) by white officers. Caught on tape.
Saw it live on the news that day and felt like crap for that driver.
But I also remember seeing store owners in their stores with shot guns.
Looting was the order of the day for sure, but some took stand.

[Earlsbud]

Originally Posted by JerryM

The riot in California some years ago where a trucker got pulled out of the truck and severely beaten was not much better. If I remember correctly the guy who hit the trucker with a concrete block got off.
Jerry

There were armed store owners defending their property that were disarmed by the police without reason. They made the mistake of standing out front with their guns. I was stuck in AZ and couldn't get a flight back for two days, with a pregnant wife an hour N. of the mayhem. I refer to LA affectionately as, The Sewer By The Sea.

[Crazybastid83]

How about New Orleans, where they removed weapons from permit holders and other lawfully posessed weapons. Scary.

[LW McVay]

Originally Posted by Earlsbud

You can't really blame Liz and poor old Prince Philip now can you?

No, I blame the people that gave away their manhood to the Crown and subsequently as you point out, the Socialist "God"vernment they worship.

[Crazybastid83]

Confiscation of firearms

Controversy arose over a September 8 city-wide order by New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass to local police, National Guard troops, and US Marshals to confiscate all civilian-held firearms. "No one will be able to be armed," Compass said. "Guns will be taken. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns." Seizures were carried out without warrant, and in some cases with excessive force; one instance captured on film involved 58 year old New Orleans resident Patricia Konie. Konie stayed behind, in her well provisioned home, and had an old revolver for protection. A group of police entered the house, and when she refused to surrender her revolver, she was tackled and it was removed by force. Konie's shoulder was fractured, and she was taken into police custody for failing to surrender her firearm.[73][74] Even National Guard troops, armed with assault rifles, were used for house to house searches, seizing firearms and attempting to get those remaining in the city to leave.[75]

Angered citizens, backed by the National Rifle Association and other organizations, filed protests over the constitutionality of such an order and the difficulty in tracking seizures, as paperwork was rarely filed during the searches. Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association, defended the right of affected citizens to retain firearms, saying that, "What we’ve seen in Louisiana - the breakdown of law and order in the aftermath of disaster - is exactly the kind of situation where the Second Amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves." The searches received little news coverage, though reaction from groups such as the NRA, the Second Amendment Foundation, and Gun Owners of America was immediate and heated, and a lawsuit was filed September 22 by the NRA and SAF on behalf of two firearm owners whose firearms were seized. On September 23, the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana issued a restraining order to bar further firearms confiscations.[73]

After refusing to admit that it had any seized firearms, the city revealed in mid-March that it did have a cache of some 1000 firearms seized after the hurricane; this disclosure came after the NRA filed a motion in court to hold the city in contempt for failure to comply with the U.S. District Court's earlier order to return all seized firearms. On April 14, 2006, it was announced that the city will begin to return seized firearms, however as of early 2008, many firearms were still in police possession, and the matter was still in court.[73] The matter was finally settled in favor of the NRA in October 2008. Per the agreement, the city was required to relax the strict proof of ownership requirements previously used, and was to release firearms to their owners with an affidavit claiming ownership and a background check to verify that the owner is legally able to possess a firearm.[76]

Louisiana legislator Steve Scalise introduced Louisiana House Bill 760, which would prohibit confiscation of firearms in a state of emergency, unless the seizure is pursuant to the investigation of a crime, or if the seizure is necessary to prevent immediate harm to the officer or another individual. On June 8, 2006, HB 760 was signed into law.[77] 21 other states joined Louisiana in enacting similar laws. A federal law prohibiting seizure of lawfully held firearms during an emergency, the Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006, passed in the House with a vote of 322 to 99, and in the Senate by 84-16. The bill was signed into law by President Bush on October 9, 2006.[78]

[Earlsbud]

Originally Posted by LW McVay

No, I blame the people that gave away their manhood to the Crown and subsequently as you point out, the Socialist "God"vernment they worship.

"God"vernment they worship < Got that right. The Church of Liberalism. Cult mentality that doesn't allows facts to get in their way.

[I love1911's]

Is how friends from the U.K. refer to it.
Some of the police in N.O. were found guilty of shooting people in the aftermath of Katrina. A bit vague I haven't followed closely. No need, that city is nearly as corrupt as Chicago.
Violent youths in Philly? so now there is a curfew of 2100 for anyone under 18 years old. Some of the gangs are composed of 11 years olds. I have to say, in Texas an uppity 11 year old would either get beat down or shot. Now the 18 year old in second grade is another story altogether.
Don't worry just keep watching morons in striped suits throw a ball at each other and everything will be fine.

[Kokopelli]

My medication must be wearing off.. Cheers.. Ron

[M4finny]

Perpetual Guy Fawkes Day - 2011.

Cheers mates!

Fin

[HarryT]

There's a 5000% increase in the sale of baseball bats and police batons in England. Hopefully those bats are Louisville Sluggers (the US can use the revenue).

[garcia]

I hope things don't get settled. That should teach anti-gun govs a lesson.

[Dwight55]

Bats, clubs, shelaylehs, batons, . . . they are not allowed to be used by the commoner of jolly old UK.

You go to jail, . . . don't collect $200, . . . for defending yourself or your business, . . . and these thugs/gangs all know it.

Perhaps they will come to their senses, . . . but it won't be until there is some kind of blood shed, . . . big time, . . . that is one thing always predictable about all of Europe, . . . they have historically waited far too long.

May God bless,
Dwight

[Jericho76]

I think you will find the English rioting about stuff long before they were disarmed. As disgusting as the hooligan behavior is,it is a bit of a stretch to try connect the two.

[johna]

too many immigrants in a short amount of time

[javichin colt]

The truth is that Multiculturalism has failed in Europe, let me to say that ilegal inmigration is destroying Europe and be prepared to face the same problems in the USA.

The stupid concept of Multiculturalism is that dates back from the Sixties when european governments released their foreign colonies and opened their doors without any kind of control to African and Asian inmigration mainly looking for cheap labor force while local left wing forces saw the new inmigrants as potential voters. Fifty years later, the result is that life in many european big cities is turning into a horrible nightmare.

The real truth is that "Melting Pot culture" worked only in America with inmigrants of european descent.

Now, please feel free to critize me or even insult me, following the political correctness of our stupid modern times.

Regards,

[Stella's Fella]

Originally Posted by javichin colt

The truth is that Multiculturalism has failed in Europe, let me to say that ilegal inmigration is destroying Europe and be prepared to face the same problems in the USA.

The stupid concept of Multiculturalism is that dates back from the Sixties when european governments released their foreign colonies and opened their doors without any kind of control to African and Asian inmigration mainly looking for cheap labor force while local left wing forces saw the new inmigrants as potential voters. Fifty years later, the result is that life in many european big cities is turning into a horrible nightmare.

The real truth is that "Melting Pot culture" worked only in America with inmigrants of european descent.

Now, please feel free to critize me or even insult me, following the political correctness of our stupid modern times.

Regards,

I will say that many of the ones in this country who have created some of the problems we are dealing with today are those who "refuse to melt". Instead, they hang on to their culture and are attempting to perpetuate it by re-populating our nation in the mold of their country of origin. There are some pockets in the larger cities where nobody speaks English because there's no need, or even want to. I've worked in areas like this, and some of the people actually take exception when you don't speak their native tongue.

[javichin colt]

Originally Posted by Stella's Fella

I will say that many of the ones in this country who have created some of the problems we are dealing with today are those who "refuse to melt". Instead, they hang on to their culture and are attempting to perpetuate it by re-populating our nation in the mold of their country of origin. There are some pockets in the larger cities where nobody speaks English because there's no need, or even want to. I've worked in areas like this, and some of the people actually take exception when you don't speak their native tongue.

I know how you feel "like a foreigner in your own country", I live part of the year in the good old USA and can attest that the situation is even worst in my beloved Europe.

In Europe we have sluggish jobs markets and most of those third world inmigrants are living in gettos thanks to our generous welfare schemes. Sooner or later european social security systems will default and I am afraid that we will face a civil war. The civil riots in London are just the begining.

The US inmigration policy is stupid and has always been, at least for the last 40 years. They tried to change the face of America, looking for "multiculturalism" by refusing to accept more europeans inmigrants, focusing only on third world inmigrants.

Regards,