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Old 01-25-2003, 10:23 AM
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Interesting Article about Women and Guns




THE NATION
Campus Feminism With a Twist -- and a .22
Second Amendment Sisters, which promotes firearm ownership for women, finds success in Mount Holyoke chapter.
By Elizabeth Mehren
Times Staff Writer

January 18 2003

SPRINGFIELD, Mass. -- Flush with anticipation, four students from the nation's oldest women's college peered into the display case last week at Smith & Wesson's Sports Shooting Center and considered which handgun each would select for target practice.

The .22, said Christie Caywood, because it fits so nicely in her hand. April Sparks swiftly chose the .357 over the .38, then opted for the .22. Student government president Erica Stock suggested they could all try different caliber weapons -- and then switch off. But Sabrina Clark was not sure she wanted to part with the .357. "I just love that gun," Clark said.

The 21-year-old senior at nearby Mount Holyoke College was quick to sign up when Caywood organized the first collegiate branch of Second Amendment Sisters, a national organization that promotes firearm ownership for women. One year later, the chapter at Mount Holyoke, a campus of just 2,000, claims up to 75 members.

Focused on political advocacy and gun-use education, Second Amendment Sisters contrasts with traditional hunting and shooting clubs that have attracted men and women at schools such as Harvard for more than 100 years. The group's emergence at a venerable women's college in a state with some of the nation's strictest gun laws has troubled some alumnae. Most of the Mount Holyoke community, said spokesman Kevin McCaffrey, "is on the opposite side of this issue."

But members of the group's Mount Holyoke chapter see themselves as the vanguard of a movement they hope will soon encompass girls in high school -- and even younger. They view firearms as tools toward empowerment and self-defense.

And why Mount Holyoke?

"We've been doing things differently since 1837," Caywood said.

Political views in the Mount Holyoke chapter range from Caywood's conservatism to Stock's support of the Green Party. Some say they have taken up handgun shooting as a stress-buster, like yoga or meditation. Others revel in the precision required by the sport. Most of all, the students say they have embraced gun use as the ultimate feminist response to a culture marked by violence and danger.

"Women are assaulted and women die every day -- and I don't plan to be one of them, just because society thinks women are not supposed to use guns," said Stock, a 21-year-old biology major.

Second Amendment Sisters has no handbook, but if it did, Stock might have taken this opinion straight from its pages.

"We are fighting to preserve the right to self-defense, and the most effective means of self-defense is a firearm," said spokeswoman Maria Heil.

The organization was founded in December 1999 by five women who went online to share their outrage over the Million Mom March against handgun violence. Heil said Second Amendment Sisters has chapters in every state, "but as far as how many members we have, I have no idea." Although the grass-roots advocacy and educational group has no affiliation with the National Rifle Assn., "They love us," Heil said, "because we boost the gun-owner numbers."

When Caywood approached Second Amendment Sisters about starting the first campus chapter, Heil said the organization welcomed the chance to reach a younger audience.

"At that age, they are not brainwashed against guns," she said. "Many of them are very intelligent. They can look at the true facts and make up their minds for themselves."

But Dr. Garen Wintemute, an epidemiologist who runs the Violence Prevention Research Unit at UC Davis, said Second Amendment Sisters may be mistaken in assuming that handgun expertise and ownership assures protection.

Members of the Mount Holyoke chapter do not own firearms because most are underage, and because Massachusetts law prohibits guns on college campuses. But many say they will purchase a gun after they turn 21 and are living away from school, and will keep that weapon at home.

"Research shows categorically that having a gun in the home is an independent risk factor for suicide or homicide," Wintemute said, citing a California study that showed that women who purchased handguns were 50% more likely to be homicide victims than the state's general female population. "If we are talking about personal protection," he said, "how about a weapon that when you fire it is not going to discharge a projectile hundreds of yards and kill some kid on a tricycle?"

Conceding that "I see a clear internal logic for saying that 'I am under threat and I am going to take this action to exercise my responsibility to protect myself,' " Wintemute also noted that gun manufacturers began aggressively courting a female market at least 20 years ago.

Figures from the National Opinion Research Center show that at least 17 million of the country's 90 million gun owners are women.For the Second Amendment Sisters at Mount Holyoke, Wintemute said, "I suspect that part of the attraction is its unconventionality, its coolness, which they can create just by doing it." Caitlin Kelly, a New York author whose book "Blown Away: American Women and Their Guns" is scheduled for publication next year, said her two years of research told her much the same thing.

"The things that women reach for when they reach for guns are often the things that all girls want: self-esteem, something fun to do with your friends, something really interesting and offbeat," Kelly said. "The debating society just isn't going to cut it. Working with the homeless? Been there, done that. We're in 2003 and there are not a whole lot of boundaries left. Guns are an area where young women haven't really gone yet."

Besides, Kelly said, "Shooting is really fun. This is a dirty secret these girls have discovered. It horrifies many people to hear that. How can it be fun to shoot a gun? Well, it just is."

Stock, the student government president, said that discovering the joy of target-shooting was one of the benefits of her membership in Second Amendment Sisters. "I was afraid of firearms for a very long time because I didn't know how to use them. I identified with the antigun stance," she said, adding that now she not only plans to own a gun, but, "I want to educate my children about this someday, too."

Stock said Second Amendment Sisters' enthusiasm for its subject sometimes continues into hearty dormitory debates, or impassioned conversation at M & C: the school's long-held tradition of serving milk and cookies at 9:30 every school night. She has worked out a standard response to students who challenge her views about gun ownership for women.

"If you don't want one," she recited, "don't buy one."

Clark, who is majoring in the ethics of foreign policy, said she recently dumped a boyfriend who told her he would never permit handguns in their home.

"I thought about it for maybe 30 seconds, and then said, 'No, never mind, you can go away now,' " she said. What galled her, Clark said, was the dismissal of something she considers an integral part of her life. "You don't even have to love me and my guns," she said. "Just respect them."

At the Smith & Wesson shooting alley -- a 20-minute drive from campus -- Caywood stood near a man shooting an assault-type rifle as she studied the pattern of bullet holes on her target.

"Haven't shot like that in quite a while," she said, satisfied.
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Old 01-25-2003, 03:51 PM
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Pretty well done story, but Mintemute is an idiot. I wonder how the 50% figure he came up waith was derived. Did somebody pull it out of their rectal orfice like other percentages that the anti are so willing to quote?


However, Miss Clark sounds like a real winner, Dump a boyfriend just because he does not like firearms. Sabrina, you .

Upon re-reading my thoughts on Miss Clark, it sounds as if I thought she was wrong to dump her now ex-boyfriend. That is not my intent, I meant that she "did good". (I wonder what she'd think of a older gentleman that looks like Santa and likes guns?)
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Old 01-25-2003, 06:06 PM
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I can understand if a guy doesn't like guns. But to "never permit handguns in their home" is a bit ... extreme.
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Old 01-25-2003, 06:44 PM
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If my girlfriend ever said something like that I would break up with her.
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Old 01-25-2003, 10:57 PM
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The 50% statistic is like the "35 times more likely" or "15 times more likely" or whatever evasive backtracking number Kellerman is using these days.

And Wintemute's grants and comfortable living depend on his regurgitating the liturgy of the sheeple per Brady.

Think about it: traditionally, women have only gotten guns AFTER they were threatened and didn't even get proper training. So the fact that more women who had guns around were victims of homicide than those who didn't USED TO mean that women who were under threat of violence were more likely to suffer violence.

Well duh.

As more women take up firearms ownership and practice for fun, skill AND defensive purposes BEFORE they feel immediately threatened, the statistics will resolve themselves.

Lies, damn lies and statistics.
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Old 01-26-2003, 10:54 AM
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Recently got my girl to the range and I can honestly say that she likes it. Her response was the same as those above in that she was afraid of guns UNTIL she learned how to use them. Now she shoots at least once a month and is very comfortable with a 1911 and a Glock 19.
She has joined the NRA (paid her dues for 3 years in advance) and just last week rcv'd her CCW.

Needless to say I am very happy for her and it makes our life together much nicer. Dave
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Old 01-26-2003, 05:07 PM
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The 50% statistic is like the "35 times more likely" or "15 times more likely" or whatever evasive backtracking number Kellerman is using these days.

And Wintemute's grants and comfortable living depend on his regurgitating the liturgy of the sheeple per Brady.

Think about it: traditionally, women have only gotten guns AFTER they were threatened and didn't even get proper training. So the fact that more women who had guns around were victims of homicide than those who didn't USED TO mean that women who were under threat of violence were more likely to suffer violence.

Well duh.

As more women take up firearms ownership and practice for fun, skill AND defensive purposes BEFORE they feel immediately threatened, the statistics will resolve themselves.

Lies, damn lies and statistics.
Drennen makes an excellent point. Many women purchase guns in response to threats. (Unfortunately, too many who do so get little or no training in the use of a gun as a defensive weapon.)

Obtaining valid statistics about the contribution to the risk of homicide to female gun owners is made difficult because of this confounding factor. A much more valid approach would be to examine the homicide rates for women who have obtained domestic violence restraining orders, comparing those who also armed themselves against those who did not.

From what I have seen most of the statistical studies relating to gun ownership have similar flaws. It is just darn hard to obtain valid statistics in cases where there are so many confounding factors.

PS... I think I have shot a few IDPA matches with TC out at Prado, if it is the same TC Drennan I'm thinking about.
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Hey, Mark, yes, that's me from the Prado IDPA - the hefty old broad with the Pro Carry

Thanks for the feedback; I do believe that as more women are armed and shoot, fewer women will be victims.

But the GrabberNazis can never accept that; it violates some of their fundamental dogmas.

See you next weekend!

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Well GOD BLESS AMERICA !!! and its great to hear that some citizens of Massachusetts have a brain and can intelligently and rationally make decisions concerning their own safety.........
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Old 01-28-2003, 12:11 AM
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The good DR seems to want to use the whole states female population. But most of these crimes will be in the lower income high crime areas.
So how would his figures hold up for ladies who work or live in high crime an low income areas?
I mean just how many female homicides are in Beverly hills a yr, yet your going to include those females in the population used.
Figures can be manipulated to mean anything.
I'm all for the weapon that will put down a crazed maniac and not go several hundred yds, but it should also put him down before he gets into knife slashing distance too, and be carried CCW, and reasonable cost!
Hay Doc, just when will this weapn be on the market?????

In the meantime, you go Girls!!
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