1911Forum
Forum   Reviews   Rules   Legal   Site Supporters & Donations   Advertise


Go Back   1911Forum > Hardware & Accessories > Gunsmithing & Troubleshooting


Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-11-2008, 10:24 AM
UrsaMAjor UrsaMAjor is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 37
Gun finishes: Who does DLC?




Hi Guys,

I just bought a Kimber Stainless 1911 in .40 S&W from a local dealer.
It is an older style pistol (2002, unfired, new in box) with a matte finish.
I am contemplating having the slide finished in black (I love that 2-tone look).
After searching and reading past postings on this site regarding gun finishes,
I think I have decided on a DLC coating for its reputation for durability

Can anyone recommend an outfit who does DLC coatings?
Are there any in NY state?

Thanks
  #2  
Old 11-11-2008, 12:09 PM
abnranger abnranger is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: trying to hide from growing up
Posts: 1,030
Not to sound ignorant..what's DLC?
__________________
Too old and too beat up to care; hiding from our caring politians.
  #3  
Old 11-11-2008, 07:00 PM
schroed62 schroed62 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Iowa
Posts: 25
DLC= diamond like coating

see link--http://www.ionbond.com/

The only place that I know that is doing this is:
IONBOND
7856 McColud Road
Greensboro NC 27409
1 336 665 0005

One of my 2011 pistol has this coating seems to be holding up great, but it only has about 10,000 rounds through it--time will tell. The material does stand up to great against kydex holsters.
  #4  
Old 11-11-2008, 11:01 PM
darrenk75b darrenk75b is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: CA
Age: 35
Posts: 493
Springer Precision is also doing Ionbond. See here:

http://www.springerprecision.com/

Have you considered Melonite? Similar in performance to Ionbond, but generally less expensive.
Drake's Gun Works and Coal Creek Armory do Melonite.

Then there is EGW's E-treat, which is essentially Melonite. Also there is Hard Hat by David Severns (a mod here).

There are a number of options, just depends on exactly what you are looking for.
  #5  
Old 11-12-2008, 12:24 AM
Dave Erickson Dave Erickson is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Omaha, NE
Age: 39
Posts: 672
I'd bet you a dollar that Springer Precision is sending their guns to IonBond in NC. You can send your guns straight to Ryan Flynn at IonBond.

schroed62 is correct with his info. If you send a gun that way, address the label to: Attn: Ryan Flynn, Custom Shop. He can be reached at the number provided earlier, just gotta ask for him.
  #6  
Old 11-12-2008, 05:22 AM
schroed62 schroed62 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Iowa
Posts: 25
When you contact Ion Bond they will email information on costs, shipping info, and info on the coating.
  #7  
Old 11-12-2008, 06:39 AM
Sloo50 Sloo50 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Chesapeake VA
Age: 39
Posts: 1,066
Bob Serva at Fusion offers Ionbond also.
__________________
COTEP
07 CBOB .45, 08 PM9
  #8  
Old 04-16-2009, 12:30 PM
Stonyman65 Stonyman65 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 217
Will DLC adhere to Stainless?
  #9  
Old 04-16-2009, 12:34 PM
Dave Erickson Dave Erickson is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Omaha, NE
Age: 39
Posts: 672
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonyman65 View Post
Will DLC adhere to Stainless?
Yes. No difference in adhesion or performance from my experience.
  #10  
Old 04-16-2009, 12:41 PM
RickB's Avatar
RickB RickB is offline
1911 Aficionado
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Seattle, WA, USA
Posts: 17,224
Everyone offering IonBond is acting as a middleman for IonBond. They do not deal with individuals, only with approved "dealers". They most specifically will not discuss cost, which is between you and the dealer. You can get a list of dealers by contacting them. I sent some parts through Springer Precision, and was very pleased with the service and pricing.
__________________
If you're not shooting you should be moving. If you're not moving you should be reloading. If you're not shooting, moving, or reloading, you should be taping or picking brass. - Z.C.
  #11  
Old 04-16-2009, 12:50 PM
Tim Bacus Tim Bacus is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 628
How funny. I'm reading this thread and I hear 'Melonite' behind me. I turn around and the History Channel is doing a program on the history of salt, and they are showing the Melonite process.
  #12  
Old 04-16-2009, 01:01 PM
Stonyman65 Stonyman65 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 217
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Bacus View Post
How funny. I'm reading this thread and I hear 'Melonite' behind me. I turn around and the History Channel is doing a program on the history of salt, and they are showing the Melonite process.
Thats weird.
  #13  
Old 04-16-2009, 01:08 PM
DevilDave1911 DevilDave1911 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NE Ohio
Age: 46
Posts: 9,813
Quote:
Originally Posted by UrsaMAjor View Post
Hi Guys,

I just bought a Kimber Stainless 1911 in .40 S&W from a local dealer.
It is an older style pistol (2002, unfired, new in box) with a matte finish.
I am contemplating having the slide finished in black (I love that 2-tone look).
After searching and reading past postings on this site regarding gun finishes,
I think I have decided on a DLC coating for its reputation for durability

Can anyone recommend an outfit who does DLC coatings?
Are there any in NY state?

Thanks
Not far from you here in Ohio you can call up Drake Oldham for Meloniting. Great guy. www.drakesgunworks.com
__________________
God Bless Our Troops
COTEP
#16
NRA Life Member
  #14  
Old 04-16-2009, 01:50 PM
Torquem Torquem is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Apex, NC
Posts: 463
Quote:
Originally Posted by RickB View Post
Everyone offering IonBond is acting as a middleman for IonBond. They do not deal with individuals, only with approved "dealers". They most specifically will not discuss cost, which is between you and the dealer. You can get a list of dealers by contacting them. I sent some parts through Springer Precision, and was very pleased with the service and pricing.
I have dealt with Ionbond on an individual basis on two different occassions. I found them very easy to deal with and had no problems getting pricing information. I did not have to go through a middleman at either time.
__________________
Preston
  #15  
Old 04-16-2009, 01:56 PM
RickB's Avatar
RickB RickB is offline
1911 Aficionado
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Seattle, WA, USA
Posts: 17,224
I spoke with Ryan Flynn at some length, in February, and they will not accept shipments from non-FFLs (that includes non-serialized parts). John Q Public cannot deal with them directly, unless they've changed the policy in the last two months?
__________________
If you're not shooting you should be moving. If you're not moving you should be reloading. If you're not shooting, moving, or reloading, you should be taping or picking brass. - Z.C.
  #16  
Old 04-16-2009, 01:58 PM
Torquem Torquem is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Apex, NC
Posts: 463
Strange. I did not find that to be the case in the couple times I have dealt with them. Perhaps they thought I was a dealer! lol
__________________
Preston
  #17  
Old 04-16-2009, 02:16 PM
Dr. Bob Dr. Bob is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Geneseo
Age: 37
Posts: 618
Quote:
Originally Posted by RickB View Post
I spoke with Ryan Flynn at some length, in February, and they will not accept shipments from non-FFLs (that includes non-serialized parts). John Q Public cannot deal with them directly, unless they've changed the policy in the last two months?
Last I talked to Mr. Flynn, he said the change at the turn of the year was to not accept work but through gunsmiths and dealers alone. So you are correct in your post Rick.

I believe they said they will not be doing any prep work either anymore. Unless I read the notice wrong, they will only be plating as the firearm is received.

I'm going back to read, I'll edit if necessary.

Bob

ETA: I checked my email, and I only found my 2008 correspondence where Ionbond does do custom work and preparations to the firearm for plating. I am pretty sure in my last email from him with updates to pricing and the change to dealing with Approved FFLs and Dealers, he stated they will no longer be doing prep work. I personally do all my own prep work on every gun and have industry finishers do the dipping and plating. For those that don't do their own prep work, it would be wise to check with Ionbond before sending a firearm to them for plating. This might save the shipping charges in case they send it back with a violation to their policy.

Bob

Last edited by Dr. Bob; 04-16-2009 at 02:28 PM.
  #18  
Old 04-16-2009, 02:26 PM
RickB's Avatar
RickB RickB is offline
1911 Aficionado
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Seattle, WA, USA
Posts: 17,224
And I'm not trying to impress anyone with how much I know about it
Everyone says, "Call Ryan Flynn", but when I did, about all I came away with was a list of people I could call who could actually deal with IonBond. It was sort of funny, as Ryan was almost apologetic about the situation, saying their foreign parent company, for liability reasons, insists that all work go through FFLs. When I asked about pricing, he literally said, "I can't discuss that with you." They charge the FFL, and then the FFL decides how much he wants to charge you, so you have to comparison shop the dealers for the best price. I can't imagine it varies too much, though. FWIW, Springer quoted $300 for a complete gun.
__________________
If you're not shooting you should be moving. If you're not moving you should be reloading. If you're not shooting, moving, or reloading, you should be taping or picking brass. - Z.C.
  #19  
Old 04-24-2009, 10:47 PM
gunnymadman gunnymadman is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: on the quilly hill in NC
Posts: 4
ionbond demonized

Hello fellas,
I just was messing around on the internet and ended up here. Well, lets clear the air. In a sense you guys are all right. Heres the story and whats going on at ionbond. This is Ryan Flynn by the way. When I was hired at ionbond in 2007 they wanted to get into the custom and individual market and needed a gunsmith for the job. So they hired my ugly butt. Well after about 2 years of coating for people, they come to me at the end of last year and tell me we aren't going to coat for individuals any more for liability reasons. Well I was mad as hell. I responded with what liability concerns do you have. They said that if a customer gets a gun back from us that I put back together and it blows up we will get sued. you see where this is going. So I had to come up with the referral list that I am now sending to people and you will have to go through one of them if you don't have an FFL and want your gun coated. I am not allowed to do disassembly and reassembly any more either. I will however still prep your gun any way you like. I can't tell you what is actually going on why they took this action, but I will tell you it was a company salesman looking to get rid of me. It is a simple plan really, if you want to close a department that is getting great customer response, and making the company money, then all you have to do is cut that departments work load. So, by cutting out the individual market it killed 75 percent of my work load. if the department isn't showing growth, and sales are declining, then they can justify shutting it down. And unfortunately it has worked so far. This salesman knows that most people, especially gun nuts, don't like to be given the runaround and they will not continue to support the product. This is what has happened. But for now I am still there, maybe not to long if this post gets back to any of the big wigs, but I have honestly had enough of their political BS and that one salesmans ego. Fellas, I would offer the coating to any one wanting it but my hands are tied. Don't give up on me though. We haven't changed the coating, it is still an awsome finish for guns. If you want it you can still get it, just takes and extra step. I appreciate the support my customers have given. If you guys have any questions email me at [email protected]. And for your amusement, I believe that call sign Ionbond is the salesman stirring the pot. Well I wish you all well and look forward to coating your guns.
Thanks.
  #20  
Old 04-25-2009, 07:16 AM
Getem Duck Getem Duck is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 82
I can't figure out some people

gunnymadman, I feel for you man. I hope every thing works out.
The company just needs to know that that is why they hired a great gunsmith so the odds of that happening are diminished. Their are people out there that will sue company's at the drop of the hat, you can't close the doors just because your afraid of what might happen. Shoot, they could just as easily get sued by a customer who feels his gun looks more gray then black.

~Get'em Duck
  #21  
Old 04-25-2009, 03:36 PM
R.E.Schoening R.E.Schoening is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Iowa.
Age: 38
Posts: 209
I've had 3 1911's done by Ryan and all of them turned out great. He does a great job and the DLC not only wears great, it looks awesome!

Hang in there Ryan!

Rob
  #22  
Old 04-25-2009, 05:59 PM
mac the knife mac the knife is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Clarksville, IN
Age: 49
Posts: 142
Quote:
Originally Posted by gunnymadman View Post
Hello fellas,
I just was messing around on the internet and ended up here. Well, lets clear the air. In a sense you guys are all right. Heres the story and whats going on at ionbond. This is Ryan Flynn by the way. When I was hired at ionbond in 2007 they wanted to get into the custom and individual market and needed a gunsmith for the job. So they hired my ugly butt. Well after about 2 years of coating for people, they come to me at the end of last year and tell me we aren't going to coat for individuals any more for liability reasons. Well I was mad as hell. I responded with what liability concerns do you have. They said that if a customer gets a gun back from us that I put back together and it blows up we will get sued. you see where this is going. So I had to come up with the referral list that I am now sending to people and you will have to go through one of them if you don't have an FFL and want your gun coated. I am not allowed to do disassembly and reassembly any more either. I will however still prep your gun any way you like. I can't tell you what is actually going on why they took this action, but I will tell you it was a company salesman looking to get rid of me. It is a simple plan really, if you want to close a department that is getting great customer response, and making the company money, then all you have to do is cut that departments work load. So, by cutting out the individual market it killed 75 percent of my work load. if the department isn't showing growth, and sales are declining, then they can justify shutting it down. And unfortunately it has worked so far. This salesman knows that most people, especially gun nuts, don't like to be given the runaround and they will not continue to support the product. This is what has happened. But for now I am still there, maybe not to long if this post gets back to any of the big wigs, but I have honestly had enough of their political BS and that one salesmans ego. Fellas, I would offer the coating to any one wanting it but my hands are tied. Don't give up on me though. We haven't changed the coating, it is still an awsome finish for guns. If you want it you can still get it, just takes and extra step. I appreciate the support my customers have given. If you guys have any questions email me at [email protected]. And for your amusement, I believe that call sign Ionbond is the salesman stirring the pot. Well I wish you all well and look forward to coating your guns.
Thanks.
Damn sorry to hear about a good man being treated that way. Loyalty doesn't seem to exist with companies any more. Hope things work out for You and they see the err of their ways.
  #23  
Old 05-15-2009, 12:12 PM
Steve J Steve J is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Central Texas
Age: 56
Posts: 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by schroed62 View Post
DLC= diamond like coating

see link--http://www.ionbond.com/

The only place that I know that is doing this is:
IONBOND
7856 McColud Road
Greensboro NC 27409
1 336 665 0005

One of my 2011 pistol has this coating seems to be holding up great, but it only has about 10,000 rounds through it--time will tell. The material does stand up to great against kydex holsters.
Schroed62, are you saying IonBond does or does not stand up to Kydex holsters? Kydex marks up my hard chromed slide. I'm looking for something that won't be scratched by repeated draws from Kydex... if that's even possible.
__________________
Steve J
USPSA A51440
IDPA A17557
  #24  
Old 05-15-2009, 12:17 PM
DevilDave1911 DevilDave1911 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NE Ohio
Age: 46
Posts: 9,813
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve J View Post
Schroed62, are you saying IonBond does or does not stand up to Kydex holsters? Kydex marks up my hard chromed slide. I'm looking for something that won't be scratched by repeated draws from Kydex... if that's even possible.
Nothing mars salt bath nitride. RC near or at a diamond. eats smiths bits for breakfast if that's any indication. cannot checker a gun that's been treated.
__________________
God Bless Our Troops
COTEP
#16
NRA Life Member
  #25  
Old 05-15-2009, 12:43 PM
RickB's Avatar
RickB RickB is offline
1911 Aficionado
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Seattle, WA, USA
Posts: 17,224
My gun that was coated with boron carbide Diamondblack - IonBond's daddy - back in '00 is still close to pristine, despite spending time in kydex; if anything the coating will scrape kydex from your holster as you draw. I've had a blued gun in the same holster, so know exactly where to look for wear spots, and the bc-coated gun shows none. As related above, I had some small parts on the gun done in IonBond, and while the general appearance is the same as the old finish, it's blacker in color, and I expect even more wear resistant. Now that I've heard Ryan's story, I'm all the more interested in having my next gun finishing project done in IonBond!
__________________
If you're not shooting you should be moving. If you're not moving you should be reloading. If you're not shooting, moving, or reloading, you should be taping or picking brass. - Z.C.
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:40 AM.


NOTICE TO USERS OF THIS SITE: By continuing to use this site, you certify that you have read and agree to abide by the Legal Terms of Use. All information, data, text or other materials ("Content") posted to this site by any users are the sole responsibility of those users. 1911Forum does not guarantee the accuracy, integrity, or quality of such Content.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 2011 1911Forum.com, LLC. All Rights Reserved