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Old 04-27-2012, 12:30 AM
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68,000 US guns seized in Mexico since 2006




http://news.yahoo.com/us-mexico-seiz...183133319.html

As usual, they are continuing to blame the USA for their drug gang problem.
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Old 04-27-2012, 12:47 AM
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Not surprising. It's easier for their government to blame the "rich country" to the north than to actually deal with the problems and corruption in their own.
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Old 04-27-2012, 05:49 AM
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If they don't like our guns they should build a fence to keep them out.
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Old 05-01-2012, 03:07 PM
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If they don't like our guns they should build a fence to keep them out.
they should build a fence to keep them out. Sounds like a Mark Twain quote. The best I have heard in a long time!
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Old 05-01-2012, 03:11 PM
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they should build a fence to keep them out. Sounds like a Mark Twain quote. The best I have heard in a long time!
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Yea it is kind of funny, because theyll just dig a tunnel.
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Old 04-27-2012, 08:46 AM
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One very important piece of info missing from that article.

How many total guns were seized in Mexico during that time.

That would let us figure out what percentage came from the US.

Then we could subtract the "Fast and Furious" weapons from that.
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Old 04-27-2012, 09:21 AM
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One very important piece of info missing from that article.

How many total guns were seized in Mexico during that time.

That would let us figure out what percentage came from the US.

Then we could subtract the "Fast and Furious" weapons from that.
This is the Key, because as we have read from other news Sources, the Cartels are getting weapons from other countries besides the US. Nice thing about statistics is they can be slanted any way you want them to suit your need or purpose.....
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Old 04-27-2012, 09:49 AM
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It's an election year for the gun control nazis.Gotta make hay with the bogus stats. I'm sure the BATFE will re-supply the cartels before the election.Still a lot of National Guard armories to be raided.
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Old 04-27-2012, 09:01 AM
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"The Government" ie. ATF.... a very reliable source.
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Old 04-27-2012, 09:59 AM
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"The Government" ie. ATF.... a very reliable source.
Bingo. Those of us who worked for the government understand how they generate numbers to further the agenda of the month. I would always question the numbers in a news release of that type. Although the writer of the article and Calderon are pro Obama, they unintentionally put him and the Democrats in a bad light regarding the 2A but I doubt the Democrat and Obama koolaiders will catch it. If Obama could overcome his "internal problems" does anyone doubt which side he would come down on.

Calderon credited President Barack Obama with making an effort to reduce the gun traffic, but said Obama faces "internal problems ... from a political point of view."

There is Republican opposition in Congress and broad opposition from Republicans and gun-rights advocates elsewhere to a new assault weapons ban or other curbs on gun sales. The Obama administration says it is working to tighten inspections of border checkpoints in the absence of an assault rifle ban that expired before Obama took office.
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:03 AM
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I love the CBS News picture of seized M4A1s with grenade launchers.
I suppose these must be readily available at Az gun dealers?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...in;contentBody
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Old 04-27-2012, 12:25 PM
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I love the CBS News picture of seized M4A1s with grenade launchers.
I suppose these must be readily available at Az gun dealers?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...in;contentBody
If you look REAL closely at that picture, you can make out "RESTRICTED MILITARY", "LAW ENFORCEMENT" then "ONLY". Obviously I can't make out some of the words, but it appears to me these are clearly marked for law enforcement/military only. What a (typical false) propaganda photo.
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Old 04-29-2012, 04:00 AM
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I love the CBS News picture of seized M4A1s with grenade launchers.
I suppose these must be readily available at Az gun dealers?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...in;contentBody
BINGO: How many guns have we provided to the Mexican Army and Police that have walked off the Job? They wan't give us a break down of those number's will they?
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:05 AM
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My question is, where did those numbers come from? I sure as hell don't trust gov't sources anymore
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:30 AM
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For those who like to scrutinize numbers, here is the data.

http://www.atf.gov/statistics/downlo...trace-data.pdf




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Old 04-27-2012, 10:57 AM
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For those who like to scrutinize numbers, here is the data.

http://www.atf.gov/statistics/downlo...trace-data.pdf




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I just skimmed this document, but its interesting how they define a "US sourced" gun. If its MANUFACTURED in the US, its US sourced. So Colt makes a batch of M4s, sells them to the Mexican Army or police, a crooked soldier/cop tranfers them to a cartel.... the data is intentionaly skewed to produce the desired results and hystaria. They choose not to catagorize guns as 'illegaly tranfered from the US to Mexico'.
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Old 04-27-2012, 11:11 AM
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Data Disclaimer Page 2

In the link provided to the Data used pay close attention to Paragraph 2 of the Data Disclaimer on Page 2....Pretty much says that this is a Sample and should not be considered the "Universe" (all inclusive) of Firearms...
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:41 AM
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Think about it. Where else are they gonna come from? Germany? They have ocean on both sides and everything south is on the same thing as Mexico. Hell, everything south probably have weapons from the U. S. as well. That doesn't mean we're to blame. What are the Mexican border patrol doing? It's their job to keep that stuff from crossing. Mexico is a corrupt Country and I mean no disrespect. But the cartels are walking all over them and laughing while doing it. Half the police/military are owned by the cartel. If there's anyone to blame. They should be looking in the mirror. Mexico allowed the "drug lords" to run things however they wanted. And when the poop hit the fan. And the President of Mexico said "NO MAS"! We'll they should've known that mass violence was to be the outcome. The only way it's gonna slow down to a minimum is if another country steps in to help. Gee I wonder who that'll be if it happens?...

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Old 04-29-2012, 04:03 AM
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Think about it. Where else are they gonna come from? Germany? They have ocean on both sides and everything south is on the same thing as Mexico. Hell, everything south probably have weapons from the U. S. as well. That doesn't mean we're to blame. What are the Mexican border patrol doing? It's their job to keep that stuff from crossing. Mexico is a corrupt Country and I mean no disrespect. But the cartels are walking all over them and laughing while doing it. Half the police/military are owned by the cartel. If there's anyone to blame. They should be looking in the mirror. Mexico allowed the "drug lords" to run things however they wanted. And when the poop hit the fan. And the President of Mexico said "NO MAS"! We'll they should've known that mass violence was to be the outcome. The only way it's gonna slow down to a minimum is if another country steps in to help. Gee I wonder who that'll be if it happens?...
Guns have been smuggled on ships before haveent they?I agree with the rest of your statment completely though.
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Old 04-27-2012, 12:26 PM
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USA Today is claiming it's 99,000
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Old 04-27-2012, 01:05 PM
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Let's differentiate between 'Drug Problem" and "Gun Problem"

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dsk said: As usual, they are continuing to blame the USA for their drug gang problem.
Yes, we ARE the source of money for their drug gang problem.
Because the U.S. is the big market for illegal drugs. Plain and simple.
There are drug gangs on BOTH sides of the border
because there is a huge illegal market in the U.S. for the drugs from Mexico.




But, Mexico's gun problem is entirely of their making.
If the Mexican constitution had the same civil right as our 2nd Amendment
then they wouldn't have a problem, would they?
But they have a gun problem because they try to control guns too tightly
among people who deserve the same natural rights we have.
Plain and simple.
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Old 04-27-2012, 01:27 PM
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The statistics are highly misleading. Mexico submits only those guns to the ATF it suspects of US origin. According to AP, they submitted 99,000 guns since 2006, of which 68,000 were confirmed.

However, Mexico confiscates nearly 300,000 a year according to other reports, which adds up to 1,800,000 in the same time frame. A whopping 3.8% come from the US, hardly the crisis described by Senator Feinstein. The cartels prefer fully automatic weapons, including light artillery, none of which come from the US. They come from further south, or from the Mexican army itself. That's what a history of corruption breeds.

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Old 04-27-2012, 01:32 PM
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Yes, we ARE the source of money for their drug gang problem.
Because the U.S. is the big market for illegal drugs. Plain and simple.
There are drug gangs on BOTH sides of the border
because there is a huge illegal market in the U.S. for the drugs from Mexico.
This isn't a popular view but its the economic reality. The popularity of recreational drugs here, which is destroying whole portions of our country, puts so much money on the table that drug sellers are killing each other in Mexico to control the markets. If people here suddenly came to their senses and stopped using recreational drugs, the violent drug wars in Mexico would disappear. But its easier for politicians to attack guns than to get stoners to stop being stoners.
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Old 04-27-2012, 01:40 PM
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This isn't a popular view but its the economic reality. The popularity of recreational drugs here, which is destroying whole portions of our country, puts so much money on the table that drug sellers are killing each other in Mexico to control the markets. If people here suddenly came to their senses and stopped using recreational drugs, the violent drug wars in Mexico would disappear. But its easier for politicians to attack guns than to get stoners to stop being stoners.
Agree 100%!
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Old 04-27-2012, 02:04 PM
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This isn't a popular view but its the economic reality. The popularity of recreational drugs here, which is destroying whole portions of our country, puts so much money on the table that drug sellers are killing each other in Mexico to control the markets. If people here suddenly came to their senses and stopped using recreational drugs, the violent drug wars in Mexico would disappear. But its easier for politicians to attack guns than to get stoners to stop being stoners.
Politicians are the stoners. As regards statistics, in 1986 both the DEA and Coast Guard claimed credit for 10 tons of drugs stopped from enetering the US - both claimed through seperate channels and the result was 20 tons stopped!
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