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Old 07-08-2011, 10:09 AM
2ndAmendmentMason 2ndAmendmentMason is offline
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Full Length Guide Rod Vs. GI Short Guide Rod




I am looking for pro's and con's of a full length guide rod vs. the GI style short guide rod. I have a Colt 1911 SS Government and it is equipped w/ the GI syle set up. This is something that I have looked at changing, but then again, this is all still new to me and I am trying to control my urges to change things that are obviously "not broke"!
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Old 07-08-2011, 10:14 AM
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Which guide rod? It's strictly personal preference. I have some with a GI guide rod and some with a FLGR. I don't notice much difference one way or the other. Whatever floats your boat.
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Old 07-08-2011, 10:29 AM
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I changed the FLGR from my taurus because it was a two piece and the head was loose although it was staked and having had a milled one-piece GI length from EGW on my Springfield, it made sense to swap it. But honestly if the head on that FLGR had been tight I wouldn't have spent $30 changing it.

The only one I would change is one of those that need unscrewed or an allen wrench to take down, I'm not messing with that stuff.
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Old 07-08-2011, 10:34 AM
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As any number of serious self-defense types will tell you, if you really bet your life on this weapon, then keep the original short recoil guide. If all you want is a weapon to enjoy, then have at whatever you like.

There are "issues" with FLGR's. Doesn't mean they are "bad" guns - just not necessarily ones to bet the farm on, day in and day out. You can always keep the FLGR in for regular shooting, and substitute the short guide when you need the gun to act for SD purposes.
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Old 07-08-2011, 11:03 AM
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I really appreciate all of the insights. This is not a ccw (plan to buy a Commander for that), just my new toy that my wife bought me for my birthday. Together we have put about 150rds through it and have had no problem (I know that isn't a lot!). I have seen a few discussions on this subject and I am just kinda curious about it. Do the full length versions "tighten" up the pistol at all?
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Old 07-08-2011, 11:09 AM
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As any number of serious self-defense types will tell you, if you really bet your life on this weapon, then keep the original short recoil guide. If all you want is a weapon to enjoy, then have at whatever you like.

There are "issues" with FLGR's. Doesn't mean they are "bad" guns - just not necessarily ones to bet the farm on, day in and day out. You can always keep the FLGR in for regular shooting, and substitute the short guide when you need the gun to act for SD purposes.
I've got over 30K on my STI equipped with a FLGR. Why would I want to change it to a GI rod for SD?

Are you going to tell me if I get a jam that locks up the gun I can push on the front and clear it with a GI rod? During a gunfight?
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Old 07-08-2011, 02:43 PM
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So, I am guessing from the way that it sounds, it kinda seems like the manufacturer (as in the their specific design parameters) may have more of an influence over this question than anything? Seems like both sides have good arguments. I have just been curious, as I am new to this and have the modification bug pretty bad! If you have or switch out to a FLGR, then you have to have a bushing wrench for stripping your pistol down, correct? I know that vendors what to sell products, I have noticed that they say switching to a FLGR can help w/ the frame to slide cycling, extend recoil spring life, improve accuracy on older style 1911's. I just wanted to hear the good and bad experiences that you all may have had using them or not using them.
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Old 07-08-2011, 03:03 PM
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I have had nothing but GI style guide rods and a two piece style FLGR in my previous 1911s, and had recently bought 2 Kimber 1911s with the FLGRs. I like the One piece style of FLGRs as they SEEM to make the function that much SMOOTHER for me.

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Old 07-08-2011, 05:24 PM
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Are you going to tell me if I get a jam that locks up the gun I can push on the front and clear it with a GI rod? During a gunfight?
That's it Bill,afterall you never know when you'll get in a gunfight, lose the use of one arm, have your gun jam and have a handy table edge to clear your gun on all at the same time.
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Old 07-08-2011, 05:39 PM
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I've got over 30K on my STI equipped with a FLGR. Why would I want to change it to a GI rod for SD?

Are you going to tell me if I get a jam that locks up the gun I can push on the front and clear it with a GI rod? During a gunfight?
?Want to argue the issue - talk to Hilton Yam at 10-8. Among others. I believe I'd trust what he has found out with much real world experience.

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Old 07-08-2011, 05:52 PM
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. Let's stir the pot:

Does thus mean all those Novak sights are wrong since you can't hook the sight on your belt to rack the slide? We all need to go to the Heinie, 10 - 8 or Colt type rear sights?

Maybe all the F92 Berrettas need to be converted?

I understand the arguments, and agree to some. But alot has been hashed over this that never gets buried.
And it is all 1911 related.
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Old 07-08-2011, 09:12 PM
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I've got over 30K on my STI equipped with a FLGR. Why would I want to change it to a GI rod for SD?

Are you going to tell me if I get a jam that locks up the gun I can push on the front and clear it with a GI rod? During a gunfight?
Yes.

Also, the FLGR was designed to do nothing more than increase the weight at the muzzle to reduce (marginally) the muzzle flip. It serves no other purpose.

If you like them, fine. But it has been argued here so often that a cursory search of the forums would yield a plethora of threads on the subject.

In the end, they do no harm, so if it trips your trigger, then go for it. THere are plenty of good reasons to go with a GI setup, though, so it's all plusses to go from an FLGR to a GI setup.
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Old 07-09-2011, 02:31 AM
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I got a FireDragon dual action recoil reducer. It is a full length rod with an inner and outer spring. It dampens the recoil of +P Buffalo Bore and Corbon ammo. It is as easy to install or remove as a GI guide rod. The inner spring acts like a shock absorber for the last 1/4 to 3/16 of an inch of slide travel. It acts like a FLGR but with the dampening effect of a buffer. Reliability is 100%, unlike using a buffer.
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