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zoroz1 06-25-2001 05:41 AM

Anybody know anything about Rock Island Arsenal?
 
Hello,
I'm thinking about buying a new 1911. I don't have the kind of moneyt that it takes to buy a colt, kimber, springfield etc...
I ran across an ad in my local papger for a gun shop that was selling Rock Island Arsenal .45 1911 A1 for $389.95. I was hoping that maybe someone here might have some feed back the only other 1911 that I've owned was a Norico and I really enjoyed it. Wish that I'd never parted with it but I did and now I can't find them our here in CA anywhere.

Redzone 07-25-2001 03:23 AM

Well try posting in general for a question like yours for one thing. And if you don't have much money to part with I recommend a 1991 Colt used. A fantastic weapon with an icon title. Don't even think Springfield or Kimber are good unless you already have at least two Colts. I'm not telling you what to do, just recommending bro. I don't want to part with weapons, as its a bad experience for life.

Lupey 07-25-2001 03:53 AM

Well if you want to purchase another Norinco I will email you a dealer that still has a few brand new ones (im at work). That is if you can import them into your socialist republic http://www.1911forum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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ehenz 07-25-2001 10:50 AM

If you are not bent on new, check out threads on the systema colt modelo 1927. Cheap, factory refinished, and good shooters from what I hear.

Jim Watson 07-25-2001 01:06 PM

The current cheap Rock Island Arsenal .45s are made in the Phillipines, reportedly by the same outfit as Charles Daly. NO connection with the US arsenal at that site. Good luck.

Ty 07-26-2001 10:06 PM

Hi Guys,
I am going to move this thread over to other 1911s soince this is not about USGIs. That will get you more coverage as well.
Cheers
Ty

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Redzone 07-26-2001 10:31 PM

Is'nt a 1927 Sistema Colt considered a USGI pistol? I guess not, well have you considered your 1911 purchase or layaway zeroz1?

Ty 07-26-2001 10:39 PM

Hi Red,
Yes it is a foreign service issue (not USGI) but he wasnt asking about one, as I review the trail someone later offered that up. He asked about the Rock Island commercial guns and they are not USGI or Foreign service issue, they are commercial other.
Cheers
Ty

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feedramp 07-27-2001 12:43 AM

The Rock Island 1911s turn up on the Gunbroker and Auction Arms sites from time to time.

The SARCO advertisement in the July 9 issue of the Shotgun News shows that they are selling them for $285.00. Page 105.

Their website is:
http://www.sarcoinc.com

Their voice phone number is:

(908) 647-3800


zoroz1 07-27-2001 11:20 PM

Thank you all for the replies, I got my fake 1911-A1 about 3 weeks ago now. It took another 3 days to find someone that was willing to work on it and put the ambi thumb safety on. A guy in Woodland, CA did the work for me. When I found him he hooked me up with sameday service... The sameday service was awesome normally out here in CA you have to make appointments for just about everything and there's so many damn people that you can expect to wait a min. of 2 weeks.

Anyway got once the thumb safety was on I ran down to the range fired off 50 rounds. The only problem I had was that the factory mag would not hold the slide back after the last round was ejected so the hammer would be down and I'd try to squeeze off another round. I had purchased a wilson after market 8rd mag before going to the range and did not have the problem when using wilson mag.

So other than the mag problem all my holes were inside the 8 ring and I'm happy with my $360 target shooting fake 1911-A1 $360 cause of taxes and houge grip and the thumb safety but that's all the modifications I'll make to this weapon.

Thanks again for all the responses.

vega 07-28-2001 10:55 AM

Im glad you're happy with your new Charles Daly... er I mean Rock Island Armory. http://www.1911forum.com/ubb/smile.gif It is made by Arms Corp of the Phil. Same company that makes CD.

vega

Baer1911 07-28-2001 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by vega:
Im glad you're happy with your new Charles Daly... er I mean Rock Island Armory. http://www.1911forum.com/ubb/smile.gif It is made by Arms Corp of the Phil. Same company that makes CD.

vega

Unless I'm reading something wrong, CD says his pistols and RIA are not made by the same place.
http://www.1911forum.com/ubb/Forum33/HTML/000197.html

vega 07-28-2001 07:31 PM

I'll call Armscor tomorrow to settle this issue. I know someone from marketing. CD didn't reply to my last post. He's probably checking too.

vega

vega 07-29-2001 05:52 AM

Ok, a quick call at Twin Pines where I saw the guns confirms it. Twin Pines is a gun dealer here in my place. I couldn't say they are small nor are they big. They import the parts use to assemble the gun. Some from Brazil and most from US. The girl I talked with couldn't give me which is which. Parts used from US is John Masen. She doesn't know the name of company in Brazil. Price range is $280 to $330. Available in .38 super and .45 cal. The dealer apologizies on the wrong info and so do I. I hope that settles it. Now I have to go to CD forum and correct my previous statement.

vega
vega

gumshoe4 07-30-2001 11:31 PM

Hey Zoroz1-Are you in Sacto? Did you buy the gun at OSA? Who's the 'smith in Woodland-I think I've used the same guy to 'smith my revolvers.

I'm in the Sacto area.

Will talk to you later.

Lupey 07-31-2001 12:33 AM

zoroz1 dont worry about it being a "fake" 1911. I own a Norinco and I LUV IT! I haven't dont a thing to it and dont plan on it except having it reblued.

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jaydee 07-31-2001 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by zoroz1:
Thank you all for the replies, I got my fake 1911-A1 about 3 weeks ago now. It took another 3 days to find someone that was willing to work on it and put the ambi thumb safety on. A guy in Woodland, CA did the work for me. When I found him he hooked me up with sameday service... The sameday service was awesome normally out here in CA you have to make appointments for just about everything and there's so many damn people that you can expect to wait a min. of 2 weeks.

Thanks again for all the responses.

Interesting... Looks like Rock Island Armory shows up on "The List" as Armscor Precision.

Sounds like an alternative to the Charles Daly (damn, I hate that name, reminds me of some Chicago Liberal), but I wonder if they have the same issue as the CD on the front strap, being thin...

Still, for $300 and change through SARCO, it might make a decent base for a Custom, but I would guess you'd be pitching everything but the frame and slide, so why bother, just get a Caspian... Ohhh, that's right, we CAN'T DO THAT HERE http://www.1911forum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Okay, nevermind! http://www.1911forum.com/ubb/wink.gif

Matt VDW 07-31-2001 10:57 PM

Now, just to muddy the waters a little more...

Do either Charles Daly or Rock Island have any connection with Shooters Arms Manufacturing? http://www.shootersarms.com.ph/pistols.html#

vega 08-01-2001 04:14 AM

SAM or Shooter's is located in Visaya (southern part) while Armscor is in Luzon (north). CD doesn't have any connection with it. The sale agent I talked with didn't mention SAM as the manufacturer.

SAM is very popular down south while CD is popular up north. I belive SAM also exports their product in the US with the same name.

vega

Charles Daly 08-02-2001 08:40 AM

Vega,
Thank you for clearing up the confusion on Rock Island and SAM. Charles Daly has no connection with either Twin Pines or SAM. Armscor only makes the Daly for the US market.

Armscor Precision, the US office of Arms Corporation of the Philippines, imported the Rock Island guns as a favor to Twin Pines, who is a very good customer of Armscor for the domestic market in the Philippines. No further shipments of Twin Pines guns will be marked "Armscor".

Any further questions on this issue please email [email protected]

Charles Daly

zoroz1 08-13-2001 04:07 AM

just thought some of you folks that took the time to reply might enjoy seeing a pic of my fake M1911 I know a lot of you don't like 1. fake M1911's and 2. Hogue grips but I do and it's mine so guess you don't have to like it I do.[img]<http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/zoroz1/vwp?.dir=/Yahoo!&.src=bc&.dnm=Twin+Pines.jpg&.view=t&.done=h ttp%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/zoroz1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Yahoo!%26.src=bc%2 6.view=t>[/img]

malmon 08-14-2001 10:17 PM

zoroz1,

Nice looking pistol but with the size I couldn't see the finer details. Would you mind mailing me a bigger copy of both your pics? Thanks!

MarkInND 08-15-2001 06:37 PM

Does Rock Island Arsenal have a web site to see the guns better. I think that the gun looks very good and for the price, even better. I use to live in Moline, IL which is right next to the real Rock Island Arsenal. Really cool place to go see and tour.

Mark

southpaw 08-15-2001 08:50 PM

Three guys here in town ordered one apiece. The one has shot about a box of gi surplus. The second guy has been too busy to shoot his and the third guy had shot about 40 rounds of s&b ammo through his when the case ruptured sending the mag out the bottom and shattering the right grip. He contacted sarco and they asked him to return it,which he did about 2 weeks ago. I havent heard if they have contacted him about it yet.

zoroz1 08-16-2001 04:40 AM

I don't know what S&b ammo is. I've only shot two boxes of Winchester .45 Auto 230gr. Full Metal Jacket out of mine and haven't had any problems other than the factory mag jam thing. I now have one shooting star 8rd. and one colt 8rd mag and didn't have any problems with the second box of ammo.

About a Twin Pines web site I haven't been able to find one and I've looked. I didn't think that Sarco had anything to do with Twin Pines after reading the above post but maybe I mis read it. http://www.1911forum.com/ubb/smile.gif


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