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pklin 06-13-2003 06:10 PM

Entry level shotguns
 
Hi everyone,

I recently posted for cheap entry level shotguns, and got some great recommendations, but all were on the expensive side. The recommended shotgun were all of the "norm" of what people choose to carry and that is fine, but listed please find some brand names I've recently found and please give me your opinions of them:


Stoeger 2000
Verona SX405
Legacy Escort
Stoeger Condor, Condor Supreme Deluxe
EAA IZH27
EAA MP153, MP153 Synthetic

These are all sub-$300 - $500 guns that I believe will suit me just fine for casual skeet shooting at most 2 Saturdays out of a month, but I don't know the guality of each because I've heard
very mixed reviews of them from other forums. If anyone could shine some light on these it would be great. I'm looking for new, 12ga. Semi-autos or O/U.

ShootinSpirit 06-16-2003 02:24 PM

Charles Daly makes a good semi-auto. Actually, I've been told that Benelli makes them.

The cheapest O/U are going to be $1000+ Berretta White Wing is about $1300 and was recently rated one of the best O/Us by Field and Stream

Viper 06-16-2003 07:20 PM

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The cheapest O/U are going to be $1000+
Thats not true because the Stoeger Supreme Deluxe has a MSRP of $500 and other versions are cheaper, according to the 2003 Stoeger catalog. As to how good they are I'm not to sure.


Pklin, I'm sorry I'm not any help as to how good those shotguns you listed are because I too have heard mixed reviews about them. And like you, I'm also thinking about getting into casual skeet shooting at a local range.

Lasersailor184 06-16-2003 10:05 PM

Umm, I can go roughly 49/50 with my mossberg 500 pump action.


It cost about 200 bucks and came with 3 different chokes. You can easily switch the barrel to go to slugs if you want (you'd have to buy the barrel extra).



Remember, it's not the gun that hits the skeet. It's you.

pklin 06-16-2003 11:50 PM

Well Viper,

All I can tell you is that I have shot a Fabarm (HK) semi-auto, beautiful shotgun with akward manipulation of bolt, but soft recoil. With the Fabarm I hit 1 out of 6 clays on a try-it shooting fair. I went to a different booth and tried the Verona semi. Not quite as beautiful as the Fabarm but decent. Kept hitting the stock with my cheek on recoil because the drop of the stock was not low enough, but I got 5 out of 6 clays. Now as far as I know, I shot at the same distances, with same chokes installed in each and same ammo provided by the show sponsor, but I just shot better with the Verona that kept hitting me in the face, and is $400 less than the Fabarm.

Also, this shooting fair was the first time I've shot a shotgun of any type in my 25 years of life and 7 years of shooting firearms, so I was pretty excited with my accomplishments with the shotgun, even if it was only 6 shots.

zovko75 06-17-2003 11:51 AM

If I'm not mistaken the Remington 870 Express can be had between the $300-500 range......Served me well so far.:)

JohnS 09-03-2004 11:48 AM

I was going to buy the Eaa/Baikal ou for skeet. I bought the Stoeger. I dont know the model name. It was 359 at Gander mountain. I have several shotguns I bought a o/u due to the regs at my local of keeping the chamber open until its your shot. I have a beautiful double auto but every time I went I would have to explain it to the range officers. Im going to try it out on Sunday. I liked the feel of it.

RoyG 09-03-2004 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by zovko75
If I'm not mistaken the Remington 870 Express can be had between the $300-500 range......Served me well so far.:)


Used $150-225 in most pawn shops.

Vincent Vega 09-03-2004 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyG
Used $150-225 in most pawn shops.

I got my new, 870 syn express for $214 at Walmart. The next one that came in to replace it was $250. I guess I got lucky.

Bimmercat 09-03-2004 02:43 PM

I shot my cousin's IZH Russian Baikal SxS in 20 gauge. Nice gun for the money.

I am considering one in 16 gauge with a straight English stock in the near future. Ought to make a dandy dove/quail gun.

For the money, they seem really nice. Besides, where else are you going to find an affordable SxS these days?

My only complaint was no models were available with double triggers...only the single trigger. Sorry, but for a double-gun, the two triggers is the best barrel selector going. Oh well, at least I can get it in 16 gauge and with the English stock...I'll learn to deal with a SxS with one trigger...I guess!

- Bimmercat

Just Me 09-03-2004 03:31 PM

How about the Wally World Beretta 390 for $529----last time I looked----which has been awhile.

I've recently aquired 2 Browning Citori's-----so all is well.

GoodShawn 09-04-2004 07:15 AM

I just purchesed a new CZ autoloader for my wife in 20 ga. at a local gun shop and it was only $310-! This gun shoots great (21 of 25 trap) right out of the box. I believe it's made in Turkey under contract with CZ.

RoyG 09-04-2004 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Vincent Vega
I got my new, 870 syn express for $214 at Walmart. The next one that came in to replace it was $250. I guess I got lucky.

Some people don't like Wal-Mart so I didn't bring it up....

The Mavrick can be had for right around 200 also... I have one with the short barrel (20 inch iirc) for HD.



FYI: I got a 20 ga 870 Express at a pawn shop for $135 otd... He even threw in a box of shells..

JohnS 09-04-2004 01:20 PM

CZ Autoloader
 
Hey Shawn
Ive been looking for a CZ auto I cant find any here in NY Did you buy it from a bigger firm ?

Robert_Barns 09-04-2004 09:37 PM

The best deals right now are the Baikals.I have a MP-153 sen. and it feels like a Benelli.Go to www.cdnninvestments.com for great deals on O/U shot guns and download their catalog.A friend has a Combo gun that shoots S&B $8 SPCE .308 into 3/4 inch 5 rounds at 100 yards.Who says skinny barrles can't shoot!

Mopars&eagles 09-06-2004 01:13 PM

My little sister bought a Fausti 12 ga. O/U for $530 and it is a really nice shotgun. Also Silma makes some O/U in the $500-$800 range. Both of these are Italian made, use nice woods and have excellent craftsmanship. Of course, these will be field grade guns. Clays guns are usually 2-3x the price of their counterparts.

gunfanatic 09-06-2004 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimmercat
I shot my cousin's IZH Russian Baikal SxS in 20 gauge. Nice gun for the money.

I am considering one in 16 gauge with a straight English stock in the near future. Ought to make a dandy dove/quail gun.

For the money, they seem really nice. Besides, where else are you going to find an affordable SxS these days?

My only complaint was no models were available with double triggers...only the single trigger. Sorry, but for a double-gun, the two triggers is the best barrel selector going. Oh well, at least I can get it in 16 gauge and with the English stock...I'll learn to deal with a SxS with one trigger...I guess!

- Bimmercat

I got a russian SXS's. I've used it for dove hunting last year and the 1st day of WW season Saturday. However, it just doesn't shoulder well when you're in a hurry (buttstock just too thick and heavy). Yesterday I used my Maverick (Mossberg 500) and knocked down more birds.

BTW: Check into HUGLU doubles. They are the nicest doubles I've seen for half the price. The Mallard O/U is about the same price as the Baikal SXS, but much nicer. www.hugluarmsco.com

10MMGary 09-10-2004 12:34 AM

Be sure and checkout Fausti, starting at 499.00 at the local Wallyworld. I did a search and found many positive post on them as a great entry level O/U. They are made in Italy and owned by Beretta if I recall correctly.

GoodShawn 09-10-2004 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnS
Hey Shawn
Ive been looking for a CZ auto I cant find any here in NY Did you buy it from a bigger firm ?

Hi John

I bought it locally from Megasports in IL:
http://www.megasportsfirearms.com/home.asp
They just got them in a couple of months ago and I haven't seen them anywhere else either. They would do a transfer to your local FFL I'm sure, just give them a call, they're nice folks!

Locked In 1911 09-10-2004 12:52 PM

I'm not sure if you're looking for a semi-auto, or a pump. I'd suggest the latter for a beginning shotgun shooter, especially if you're only going to be using it for skeet, and possibly HD. It's a far more simple weapon, and personally, from someone who's been shooting shotguns for 14 years, I've never had a need for a semi-auto, but YMMV.

For a 300-500 dollar price range, I don't know why you're thinking about going with these lesser known (and some unknown) manufacturers. The Remington 870 is the most popular shotgun produced, ever. It's a fantastic weapon with a proven action and track record. Brand new they could be had for 250-350 dollars, and even cheaper used. If you wan't a semi-auto, the Remington 1100 can be had brand new with a synthetic stock for 549. That's the MSRP listed on the Remington website, so there's no doubt in my mind you could find one for much cheaper if you desired to.

Unless you want something different, I wouldn't buy into something unproven because it's "cheap," especially when that "cheap" is no more expensive than something proven and reliable. Just my .02, and I'm not spending your money.

Mossberg has decent pump shotguns as well.

pklin 09-10-2004 01:29 PM

Hi Guys,

Thanks so much for all your help on this matter... I have recently decided, and bought a Verona 12ga 18" barrel semi-auto SX-402. I have shot this gun for about two or three months now and it has served me well. This shotgun recoils very softly and patterns well, albeit not as well as my friend's Browning that cost him $1k+, but for a casual weekend shooter like me, it is more than adequate. Thanks again for all the advice! By the way, this Verona is a very well made shotgun with great looking Turkish Walnut, and for $314 out the door, I highly recommend it!.

Peter

gunfanatic 09-13-2004 03:24 PM

Good for you! :D Fine shotgun. Should serve you well.

10MMGary 09-15-2004 07:47 PM

For what its worth I took my own advice and picked up a Fausti Field Grade O/U 12ga 28 inch barrels with barrel selector option and three choke tubes($533.00 out the door). I am planning to run a couple hundred rounds of various ammo through it tomorrow I will post a "report" of sorts soon.
Gary

Ed 09-15-2004 08:41 PM

The local Academy Sports has been selling Rem 870s for 179.00.


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