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xring44 05-12-2008 08:03 PM

9mm and 115 grain FMJ bullets
 
I just entered the 9mm business, I've loaded for most other handgun calibers but never the 9mm. Whats the best powder for the 9mm with 115 grain bullets?

MSgt Dotson 05-12-2008 08:06 PM

There are a plethora of available powders that work well....

I have used classic Unique and 231 successfully...

xring44 05-12-2008 08:22 PM

I think I have 8# of win 231, I use it alot in .45 ACP

thanks

leecreekkid 05-12-2008 11:19 PM

I like 231. I use 4.2 grs. with a cast lead bullet.

Sidetracked 05-13-2008 01:46 AM

It may be my first post, but I've been loading 9mm for as long as I can remember.

I grew up loading HP-38 and similar powders. I cannot fathom the amount of ammunition I loaded and subsequently launched their projectiles rapidly into the earth at high speed, using those powders.
Even with many complaints agains the powder, I even fired many hundreds of rounds loaded with W231. (Use it at your own risk, I won't touch it.)

However...

I use only one powder for my .380 and 9mm pistols. Titegroup. It is the most economical powder I have found, and for my pistols; perfect. Coming out of a 3.25" (more like 1 1/4") barrel for the .380, and a 3.9" for the 9mm, accuracy isn't exactly the strong point of the firearms.

I've also never had any issues with hang-fires, partial detonation, or bad powder that is associated with some others. (W231 to name one I have witnessed from a trusted reloader.)

With the loads I have worked up for my pistols, I typically save 1 gr to 2.5 gr of powder over other common choices.

Saving 1 grain of powder per case may not seem like a lot for some people, but if you fire 300+ rounds in a day... It adds up.
Worst case; it gives me 100 'free' rounds out of a pound of powder. Even so, that's half the point of reloading... Saving money by tayloring loads to your weapons.

The more I shoot Titegroup, the more it saves me over other powders. :)

parallax 05-13-2008 07:32 AM

+1 on Tightgroup!

I've been using it for my 124gr 9mm loads, and it works great.

Just be careful with fast powders like Clays or Tightgroup. The 9mm has a small case volume, so small changes in charge weight can make a HUGE pressure difference with fast powders!

WESHOOT2 05-13-2008 07:40 AM

I differ
 
I recommend powder choices more in the middle of the burn rate charts, like Unique, HS6, AA5, 3N37, Power Pistol, N350, Silhouette.

One choice? For 115g?

Unique.
5.5g.
CCI500.
Sized cases.

RetiredRod 05-13-2008 07:44 AM

I load & shoot a fair amount of 9mm using a 115gr Zero JHP. I've used Titegroup anywhere from 4.2 to 4.8 grains and it works just fine. But the best accuracy and low standard deviations, for me, are achieved with Power Pistol, 6.2-6.4 grains.

leecreekkid 05-13-2008 08:34 PM

HP-38 and W231 are the same powder made by the same company; Hodgdon. Look at the data, it's all the same. I had a powder rep from Hodgdon tell me that

MSgt Dotson 05-13-2008 08:43 PM

Currently using 4.7 gr of 231 over Sierra 115 FMJ (from Sierra manual or Lee, I forget which) at 1.13" OAL....

velocity is 1140 fps from Glock 17L

flycaster 05-13-2008 08:48 PM

I've been using 5.7gr. of Power Pistol behind 115gr. plated RN's. I like the combination.

Chuck

robctwo 05-14-2008 09:26 AM

I've been looking at different powders for the 115 fmj. I've tried some Universal, 4.8-5.0, some Longshot, 5.5-6.0, and some 700x, 4.2. Also happy with W231, 4.7-4.9.

I have a new Baer PII 9mm and a S&W 952-2 and have been looking at different loads for each.

Now I can see I need some Power Pistol and another can of HS6.

FM12 05-14-2008 10:47 AM

4.4-4.7 Bullseye

ken_mays 05-14-2008 10:49 AM

I'm also using Titegroup. I believe I was putting 4.2 grains behind a 115 gr bullet and 4.0 grains behind a 124 gr bullet.

rdinak 05-17-2008 03:58 PM

power pistol

1911Badger 05-18-2008 06:47 PM

Quote:

Even with many complaints agains the powder, I even fired many hundreds of rounds loaded with W231. (Use it at your own risk, I won't touch it.)
I'm about to start reloading 9mm and was considering 231. What's the problem?

Steve in PA 05-18-2008 08:38 PM

6.5-7.0gr of HS6 for me!

DWCoyote 05-19-2008 01:28 AM

I have not really done any 9mm reloading yet but I am getting prepared to as soon as I am 100% happy with my 45 loads. I have looked at 4 different manuals for 9mm and EVERY ONE specifically mentioned how well power pistol works for 9mm. Again, no experience to back that up. I just couldn't help notice that they all said it. Yes I already bought a lb to try it out.

WalterGC 05-19-2008 06:30 AM

Well, I settled on #5 for both 9mm and .45ACP some time ago...meters well, etc. However, I've always wondered about questions like this on forums like this. You always get a bunch of different opinions suggesting a buncha different powders, of course. Makes me wonder if the OP usually just counts the votes for a particular powder?? :)

xring44 05-19-2008 06:41 AM

I don't know about the majority of posters asking these questions, but I do know about the OP in this case, while I am blessed with having a wide assortment of powders to choose from and 9 different manuals to research for information, the internet is so handy to ask for results from people who have pryor knowledge of loading this caliber and its pro's and con's. I read all the responses, weigh the results in my little pea brain and hopefully begin farther up the ladder than I would without the imput of those who have gone before me.

Thanks to all who have replied, I appreciate your taking the time to share your experience with the 9mm.

xring44

nobull 05-19-2008 10:59 AM

231
 
i like 231 and 115 zero bullets for me

larryf1952 05-22-2008 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WESHOOT2 (Post 1809520)
I recommend powder choices more in the middle of the burn rate charts, like Unique, HS6, AA5, 3N37, Power Pistol, N350, Silhouette.

One choice? For 115g?

Unique.
5.5g.
CCI500.
Sized cases.

+1 on the preference for the medium burn rate powders in the 9mm. My personal preference has historically been for HS6 and Accurate #5, although I've found that Power Pistol is almost like a magical elixir for zippy loads in this caliber and bullet weight.

Buck_Naked 06-08-2008 09:27 PM

What COL are you generally using for 9MM and 115 FMJ's? Most manuals suggest 1.100 COL, but Winchester says max of 1.169, and I just measured some WWB 115 FMJ and it measured out at 1.162... Thats a big difference over the 1.100, and was just wondering what OAL you are using.

Thanks!
Dave

MSgt Dotson 06-09-2008 07:00 AM

The typical 1.10" given in a manual is a minimum safe OAL, and some manuals simply state 1.16" for everything..

for FMJ/RN, near 1.135" (+/- .01") or so seems to work ...in every pistol I have tried them....

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